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So true.
This is so incredibly true… except maybe you were a little generous on the time spent coding.
You forgot about the time spent putting your cover sheet on the TPS reports.
Hear hear, Brother William W!! Tell it like it is!
The only problem with this graph is it is not funny…
It’s just the way it is.
Shame. :/
Funny and sad aren’t mutually exclusive..
It’s funny because it’s true.
Preaching to the choir ATM – of course, some of that IE time is really spent publicly bitching that so many people still use IE rather than Firefox or Opera.
Opera? I don’t even consider that a browser any more than an amusing application that emulates web browsing.
sp/Opera/Internet Explorer
fixed it for you
YES! FINALLY someone has put this in chart form. I can show it to my clients that want full compatibility with IE5.5 (yes, they still exist).
Well I work as a web developer for about 6 years and all I have to say is: FIREFOX SUCKS!!! Meh… Now stone me (:
No need to stone you, you are obviously stoned already
very yes
WYSIWYG editing in Front Page is NOT web developing.
all i have to say is: YOU SUCK, you’re probably using some stupid drag-and-drop 3rd world webdevelpment tool
Actually I write my code in notepad so phbbbbt
Eww. I wouldn’t write in notepad; I write code for a web page, but I use a colored-type editor. It’s got all the freedom of notepad, but it tells you whether you’re screwing up (like forgetting to close a tag or something)
Lol @ web coders who design around Firefox
Just design around the lowest common denominator of the latest Firefox and Safari.
Direct IE users to a .png of the properly rendered web page with a link above it that says ’site not behaving as expected? Get a real browser.’
Dome something similar at work at the moment, internal tool does not play well with IE, so it is now banned XD
and why is that? for something that works better and gives less hassles. if you design around IE, you’ll have to spend time debugging for other browsers too. every page i’ve designed around firefox also works in safari, as well as opera. never has IE worked properly out of the box unless it’s a simple site.
if you’re ignorant and want to design purely for one browser only.. and also choosing IE, well if the user is anything like me, you’ll have alot of people refusing to view your site. I don’t load up IE just to view someones website when they choose not to make it work for anyone who prefers a better browser than IE.
Can IE even view webpages? When did they add that functionality? Whenever I load it on someone’s system, all I get is pages of porn popups and notifications that I’m infected and need to install AntiVirus 2009.
Likewise. That’s why I use FF now. Plus, the logo is cooler.
lol @ web designers who think they’re coders.
lol @ people who think we’re not
Just because we don’t use a compiler doesn’t mean we’re not coders. At least those of us who use raw code, anyway.
Dreamweaver does not a coder make (this goes for flash, frontpage, and all those other WSIWYG’s too …)
IE sucks!!! Didn’t even add PNG’s until version 7, and being Miscrosoft, the higher the version, the crappier (Vista being a prime example of MS’s idea of ‘upgrading’)
there’s more to web design than just simple html. get into php/javascript/perl/ruby on rails/afraid to say… .net/java.. and others – and there are those of us that aren’t just web designers, but do actual programming as well.
My point exactly. I prefer VBScript myself, but do use JavaScript when necessary (I avoid both if I can at all help it, who needs the headaches?) .. and gasp, horror, I do it all in NOTEPAD from scratch!!!
Yes, I do laugh at those who whip something up in Dreamweaver, etc, and call themselves web designers. That’s like putting an air freshener in your car and calling yourself a mechanic
lol !!! notepad is a little extreme.. i use texpad. plain text editor but with syntax highlighting
VIM FTW.
VIM’s hard core and awesome!
I use Eclipse PDT for my development though. It doesn’t “do” anything for you, but it’s got syntax highlighting and it has some error checking as well.
Funny how a discussion of “which browser sucks” became “which editor is best”
Use a butterfly: http://xkcd.com/378/
True that!
Coding fail!
If you know a bit of coding, you would know how to work around it while coding your stuff so it is right the first time instead of debugging so much.
I still see too many sites saying ‘this site works only in FF’ and such.. seriously, if you can’t code, don’t do it.
Unfortunately, you seem to live in an idealist world. In a magical world where all browsers used the same standards, then maybe we could ‘get it right the first time’.
But in the real world, where a real web developer tries to get it to work AND look good on as many browsers as possible, there is a lot of debugging required as you try to compensate.
I think you’ll find savvy is right – you can get it right in one debug. The other day I wrote a website and ran the initial debugs in Firefox. It worked first time in IE 6. That’s IE 6! Not 7!
The trick is to know what methods work in both Firefox and IE at the same time. You’ll find you can work in W3C standards and yet neither Firefox or IE work. Opera hower, just doesn’t work. At all.
Ofcourse, getting it to work in any browser is all a matter of how much you have worked with that browser. You’ll find IE works alot better with .NET websites, it’s just a matter of fact, but you’ll find that a coder who started coding for IE first would spend less time coding for IE, but would find Firefox doesn’t work.
However, I first started learning HTML in Firefox, so I can see the funny side of this.
Maybe it’s because I’ve all but given up on IE, and only do the compatibilities that are absolutely necessary
When I started, the choices were basically IE4 or Netscape (can’t remember the version …) and the two were highly incompatible. Now I code for Firefox and throw in fixes as needed for anything else. IE, to me, is for people that don’t know any better *ducks*
That said, yes, I saw the funny side of this one
(it just bothers me when people who program using C++ or whatever look down their noses at us web designers)
Learning how to do hacks from scratch has nothing to do with ‘knowing how to code’. That’s called voodoo.
Oh really *notes your ridiculous elitist opinion and goes back to what she loves*
Did it ever occur to you that you can code without a compiler? I doubt anyonewho regularly codes in JavaScript or Perl, etc, would say “hey, no, I don’t use a ciompiler and therefore I’m not a coder?”
My brother and I work together. He does the compiling side and I do the web side. And although he is of a level that he was teaching his lecturers at Uni, he’s never looked down his nose at me as a ‘mere web designer’. And for good reason.
Can someone please make a graph about the ‘code/webdesign’ wankery going on in this thread?
The issue is when you’ve got a customer for a private web app. the refuses to use anything other than IE, but doesn’t like the way it works and subsequently asks to to ‘fix the way IE works’. It makes me laugh, and cry.
In this situation, I’d be tempted to sit them down for a brief one on one basic HTML lesson
I reckon ten minutes would do the trick!
If only reason and logic worked on people with OCD, the type of OCD where she wants to call it CDO so it’s in alphabetical order. I’m serious.
Oh. That’s a different kettle of fish. I thought you meant your garden-variety I’m-paying-you-to-get-it-all-working-to-my-satisfaction totally ignorant customer o.O
I have OCD, I can understand how frustrating it is for you AND her. Sadly, there’s no quick-fix for this one.
50% IE users. 30% FF users. 20% “Other”. Oh, and one guy on WebTV, but I banned him, because seriously, wtf, WebTV?
That’s why IE is most-used
Hm…debugging FOR IE, not in it. Less helpful error messages you couldn’t imagine.
So true