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I’m calling bull on this one. Ever taken a computer science course? You’re not asking the Australian students for help.
Exactly this. When I was working on my Ph.D. in computer science, about half of my fellow grad students were Chinese (which according to this graph don’t know how to solve a computer problem), and about a fourth of them were Indian. YMMV, but Indians and Chinese (not to mention South Americans, Africans, etc.) who know how to computers are not exactly a rarity.
I am from the third world, and, I am so offended.
We’re all from the third world? Last I checked, there were two worlds between us and the sun
That is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read.
…Only “white majority” countries and japan are highlighted. I hope you contract aids and give it to all your loved ones, then your father and uncle molest you and get it then give it to their loved ones, and your entire family dies tragically in a hailstorm of superaids… -fucking asshole.
Aids only happens in non white majority countrys silly
but not all white majority countries: argentina and panama and uruguay at least are not shaded. plus, if you’re going for race, arabs, iranians, indians, and tajiks are all caucasian too (and i’m defff guessing the black sea has no idea how to fix my computer. anyone else with me?)
The racist dudes I know don’t consider arabs, semites and the like to be white. When someone wants to define an advanced race or whatever, they do so in a perfectly arbitrary manner.
Oh God this is so awesome, now Im always using this when someone mentions the third world…
ITT: butthurtness.
absolutely agree with cake, now i’m offended, wtf do you think you are??
tough cookie!
You are all reading way too much into this. Get the FU&% over it, it’s a joke to be laughed at, not picked apart. Laugh or stfu sucker.
you can add as many countries as you want.. the point of the picture still remains the same.. take that for someone who actually does tech support:)
do you know what computer science is? its programming. not troubleshooting or any thing else that falls under “tech support” when is the last time your called tech support for help coding your program?
borderline racist here.
indeed… probably more for the “only white folks and the japanese can use computers” implication than anything to do with india.
Just one drop-in-the-bucket example – South Koreans are pretty nifty with the microchips (re: samsung)… and, of course, Burundi.
Thank you for pointing that out – this graph is total bullshit.
yep.why do people in the wildernesses of russia and siberia with little more than a stick to scratch their backsides with ‘know how to solve a computer problem’ more than the koreans or chinese? cos thats the majority of it… why ukrainians? serbia anyone? random islands off canada? romania instead of taiwan?
i saw a documentary on the meteoric nature of IT in india and the fact that they are now exporting high level coding solutions to the west.
on a side note, i’m pretty sure they are the only country to make it to space first time with no mess ups.
I disagree, it’s not borderline, it just is racist.
They could have saved their face–and been a bit more accurate, too–had they included a large portion of China, Taiwan, Northern Africa, The Phillipines, and Coastal Brazil in the blue area.
I used to work tech support And I have a friend who still does AND WE’RE AMERICANS IN AMERICA!
See, I would agree with you about China, but I worked there long enough to know that the majority of people in all the offices I worked in (with educated Chinese people) didn’t even know how to work a printer–and that was in a major, modernized city. Even non-percentage-wise, I think most Chinese people know diddly-squat about computers. Some of them don’t even know how to use their own cell-phones. So maybe, like, Shanghai and Dalian – along the far East coast–and the technology/university district of Beijing would be okay to highlight, but definitely NOT a large portion of China. How about Hong Kong and Singapore?
Exactly Tony.
Indeed
Um, no.
While, yes, the countries in blue are prodominantly white, the sad truth is that the other countries are developing nations and are far behind the curve on computers.
In south America, they only just recently stopped making Sega Master system games because that is what most people owned.
Is it really “racist” to point out that a country does not have access to computers on the level that western civilization does?
There’s racism, and then there’s willful ignorance to sound self righteous. You’re far into the later.
In South America, most people owned PS2 and PS3.
If people had Sega Master is because they like the games. It’s been a long time since people around here have been using PS2 and 3, as Venosa_big said… So, your data is not accurate. Try another reason.
Yes, because people in south america still fight wars with spears and stones.
And the most popular console in south america is 360
and By the way, Mexico is part of North America…learn your geography
know-it-all wanna be+racist=KRON
Recognizing sarcasm fail.
i live in south america and own a nintendo wii
u are so stupid has a racist asshole
You’re so wrong… 67 millions of internet users only in Brazil. 5º country in number of computers connected.
People who know how to work a computer in most of the world is not a rarity these days. Shitty ITT services are not commonplace in just one part of the world. People generally give shitty directions. It’s a human error, not an Indian one. Get over it.
This graph refers to intelligence and knowledge not wether they have computers or not.
But there is likely to be a high correlation between the number of computers a country has, how much experience the average citizen has in dealing with them, and how much expertise those citizens have in dealing with tech support-type issues. Otherwise you’re saying the people in the white countries have computers but are too stupid to know how to use them, which is far more racist than the original graph.
But that’s what the graph is saying. There are many countries with widespread access to computers that are marked in white.
Eh, true. Still, I think it’s less racist if the graphmaker marked it that way because he was under the (mistaken) impression that people in those areas don’t have computers (which seems to be what most of the people defending the graph believe) than if it was because he knew they have computers but thought they weren’t smart enough to know what to do with them. It would still be racist, but not quite as much, at least in my opinion.
Yeah and that’s why South Africa experienced a brain drain in the area of computers to so called developed nations. Some of the top computer geniuses working in North America are in fact south african with a south african education. I was 3 years old when my father brought home a computer and I learnt to use it even before i could read or write. i knew what to do to get to what i needed to get to. I was one of the first people in my school to experience and use the internet. In high school i was the top student in computer studies. I spent most of my computer classes helping my fellow students than actually doing my work yet i still beat them. And all this in the 80s and the 90s. I probably know more about computers than 90% of the people in the “developed” nations. Yet firstly i am a woman but secondly I am a South African. and for those who don’t know where that is, it’s a country on the southern tip of Africa. And no we don’t have lions who walk around in our streets except for the rugby kind. We are more developed than you think and if you aren’t careful we might just overtake some of the nations you think is better than us. Watch this space……..
Thank you! I agree. I too am a South African and learnt how to use a computer by the age of 9. Eleven years later I’m helping my friends with all their computer problems.
Another South African here who ‘solves computer problems’ for a living so I call bull**** on this one. Yes I’ve lived and worked in the ‘blue’ area, but now do the same work from South Africa because I prefer it.
I would have found this more funny if SA was in blue, but then again so many people don’t realise it is a country or where it is on the map. Hopefully the World Cup at the moment will clear this up
More and more European companies are doing business with South Africa because we are in the same time zone.
Well I’ve got like 10 Venezuelan friends and they say most teens in Venezuela have Blackberries.
And I live in Mexico and we have the same technology you have.
I find this graph insulting and racist.
you don’t know what you’re talking about and I bet you’ve never even been to Brazil, for example. we’re a bunch of nerds.
2/10 troll right here
Borderline, hell – include racism with homophobia on the list of things that guarantee an appearance on the front page of GraphJam. Shame on the moderators.
Hah! Hilarious….and seemingly so true. I would give anything to call a support line and be able to understand the person on the other end.
PEBCAK.
Yea good luck with THAT one!
racist
Does the author seriously believe all the countries he left blank are computer illiterate? I mean, I realize it’s supposed to be humor and illustrate a point about “haha India tech support”, but it’s neither accurate OR funny.
For crying out loud MOST of them ARE computer illiterate. a niche few of people who DO know what they are doing doesn’t make up for the denizens of more “average” just having one computer expert won’t qualify the whole country.
The IT firm I worked for had call centres in Belgium, Canada, Bangalore, Singapore and Blackpool. At least, when I left. Before that it was the US, Bangalore, Manchester and Warsaw. The experts were in Bangalore, though. Bit difficult to understand, but absolutely brilliant at their job. So this graph is a tribute to the brilliant computer experts in India. Hurrah!
I used to teach computing to kids from third world countries. It was usually a mix of kids who had never even seen a typewriter and a couple of kids with rich daddies who thought they knew everything about computers and proceeded to mess the computers up. AAAAAAAARGh.
Haha – I had similar experiences in China — the truth is while there is a growing number of private computer owners, most people don’t use computers that much outside of work, and if they do, it’s usually at an internet bar or something like that, but TRUST ME – it doesn’t mean they know how to use computers. Hell, unless someone was in business, they didn’t even know how to use e-mail. They do have QQ – which is like, AIM for Chinese people with tons of little tacked on programs to make your computer run slow as hell.
My Chinese friends DESTROYED my old laptop
This was in a major city – most people live in the countryside.
Of course there are people who are VERY good with computers, but it’s not the majority – it’s a very small percentage – only people who can afford it.
Thank you fuhtian! Indignantly telling the world that you don’t think it’s funny since it might offend the computer-illiterate countries demonstrates a commendable sense of self-righteousness. The world needs more people like you–imagine what a nice, polite place our planet would be if everyone was so oversensitive….
Racist. I wonder if someone at Graphjam moniters the content for offensive material, for this is one!
I’m monitoring your spelling,
but agreed, this graph sucks badly.
All I can think right now is how glorious it would if the creator of this graph found himself on the phone with tech services in Belarus.
Wow… racist much?
Racist
you sun of a gun…india jitna talent kahi nah hai
I didn’t know that the people living in the Black Sea can give tech support :/
u are annoyng
Haha I noticed that too. Guess it just shows how ignorant racists are.
No, it’s the fish and dolphins who give tech support there.
Only the dolphins… and they are the BEST!
You know the Black Sea is not a country…
Well we might discover some ancient thracian sea mummies over there.
And apparently they’ll know how to fix computers.
In Brasil we are most advanced than ALL Europe countries.
Suck it!
except in english
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah well, just let them die trying to pay their hospital and college bills while any Brazilian gets it for free.
*until the taxman cometh.
How many foreign languages do you speak?
french, german, spanish, norwegian
of course not in english, we speak portuguese, we don’t have to know english… i bet our english is a way better than your portuguese..
Agreed.
Pero el español, yo lo hablo~
Yo hablo español y soy brasileño.
Io anche parlo italiano, e tu?
Never underestimate a brazillian.
I’m brazilian and I am ashamed of this after reading your comment.
he expects me to believe that the chinese don’t know computers ? they make em all
That is only because that the labor is cheap there.
So what? So if you don’t charge enough for your hourly rate your knowledge doesn’t count? Clever one.
aren’t we giving the canadians too much credit here?
Now that’s funny
Why isn’t Israel in blue?
Because the idiot who made the map is an idiotic, Euro-centric ass.
agree
Because about 2/3 of the posts I’ve seen here are the same kind of crap… people screaming “dats racis!” in order to feel good about themselves.
The racist comments simply make this more humorous. While I’d remove a good portion of Europe from the blue shading and add Indonesia to the Red the point is dead on. An even more fun map would be one of greater/less than 50% of the population can read in Michigan. It’ll appear even more racist and yet be even more accurate.
I’m not sure if people would think you were racist…probably just from Ohio
Is this supposed to be funny??? Well, You have got a wired sense of humor… Let there be atleast a bit of truth in fun..
Ummm, clearly he does have a “wired” sense of humor and there’s more than a “bit of truth” to the post…perhaps you should learn to spell “weird” before you attempt to make a still meaningless claim.
this isn’t racist at all. it totally demonstrates the way customer service around the world is now.
if i want tech help, i don’t want to talk to someone halfway around the world who’s been given a script and only gives answers based on that script. i don’t want someone who hears a keyword and immediately transfers me to another department. i don’t want someone who argues with me when i ask for a supervisor.
when i call customer service, i want someone who listens to me to understand the whole problem i’m having and has the ability to figure out what’s the best solution. i want someone who understands that the minute i say “transfer me to a supervisor”, the next words out of their mouth should be “hold please while i get one for you.”
and i really do NOT want to talk to someone when i know the only reason they’re answering my call is because a loved-one’s employer (former or otherwise) has set up the call center someplace where they don’t have to pay competitive american wages and benefits.
Bingo – somebody that actually gets it around here…others continue thinking Obama’s election over McCain, or even Clinton, was a good thing…I look forward to your being in Greece’s position in another 3-4 years if you re-elect him.
Bush allowed no companies to outsource in his eight years. (sarcasm)
actually, i like obama. and i think his election over mccain WAS a good thing. i’ll take biden over palin as vice president any day.
the man has taken on a very hard position in an insanely hard time in history. nobody was going to be happy with the person elected no matter what they did. americans expected to have their world fixed the moment they woke up the morning after the election, and everyone has become a whiny little twit because problems didn’t get solved yesterday.
before this turns into a major political rant, i really think the quickest way to solve the unemployment problem would be to reverse NAFTA and make companies bring back all those jobs they shipped overseas.
This graph is reeks of racism, dude absolutely has no idea about the tech in most countries
Do you? (it’s a fair question) It’s not so clear-cut. Just because there is some percentage of computer literacy in some countries doesn’t mean anything. Computer literacy is still very low in countries where family can’t afford personal computers – though it’s a change in progress. The poster could have done a little bit of a better job by at least having different shades of blue or at least including ALL major business and technological centers – he missed some big ones, like Hong Kong, Singapore, Shanghai, Seoul, and the country of Brazil should be in there. If I missed any, it’s because I willingly admit I don’t know as much about the technological situation in other areas. (My experience in SE Asia is very limited, and I have only a cursory knowledge of South Africa and Central Asia. It’s not my area of expertise.)
If you do not want to talk with a person halfway around the world, then talk with your own CHEAP ASS company and ask them to provide you the services that you want. Don’t deflect the blame on others who have no contract or obligation towards you. I feel for you poor people. Does it make you feel bad that neither your government nor your corporations care about you? Dude, your life sucks big time.
well gee… THAT was an intelligent response.
i would talk to the companies and tell them that i want customer service provided for me by someone who understands what customer SERVICE really is. but i can’t. because when i call the companies i end up talking to someone in another country who hadn’t even heard of the company until the day they strapped on a headset and started answering the phone.
my life doesn’t suck. life sucks for the person on the other end of the phone when i call and say “i’d like to do ,” and their response is “yes i’d be happy to help you do today. would you please hold?” then 20 minutes later they cut off the call.
Q: What’s the difference between tech support provided by the US and tech support provided by India?
A: In India, when they put you on hold, they do it with an accent.
IOW, customer support usually is bad, regardless of what country is providing it. I’ve had good service from people in the US, and I’ve had good service from people overseas, but usually it’s bad, regardless. That said, I’ll take bad support over listening to a robot. (For tech support in particular, however, I find that I can answer most of my own questions by Googling and visiting sites like stackoverflow and superuser.)
Most of my experience with that crap has come from call centers in English-speaking countries, to be honest.
The person who invented the pentium processor is a Indian, or the guy who developed hotmail or one of the mentors of google, we r the ppl who have the patience to deal with u, if u were so intelligent u won`t have needed the ‘ tech support ‘ at the first place.
An Indian living where?
That has absolutely nothing to do with it – frankly, I hope that he’ll(the Pentium designer since you made up the other two) gets permanent citizenship and not just continue on his current working visa. However, that level has absolutely nothing to do with tech support and by bringing this up you do nothing other than point a bigger finger at the issue of illegal vs. legal immigration and that’s the point that should be discussed…it should be a lot easier but if you’re not legal you’re not legal and more than the book should be thrown at you.
JB, your arguments are either based on falsehoods or are spurious. Step back, look at the areas of the globe that are considered so backward that NO ONE there can solve a computer problem, then think. Open your mind to it…yesssss. Feel the hate leave your body…
Trying this again because my previous comment is awaiting moderation…
Try reading up on Sabeer Bhatia and Rajeev Motwani before accusing others of lying. You’ve made yourself look quite foolish.
Huh. So NO-ONE in China or Japan knows how to fix computers either, eh? I notice they’re not highlighted at all.
And who’s to say no-one in India knows computers? Don’t judge a whole country (or huge parts of the world, for that matter) based on a bit of bad customer service you ran into.
Jeez, ignorance, racism and prejudice all together in one nice little graph.
Look, whether what you claim is intended by the graph or not you completely missed the point and the general idea is accurate. Again, generally, anybody in India, China or Japan that can do better than customer service(ie. stall until they hang up) work in outsourcing…which is actually the point of the original poster….
I follow your hate everywhere. It is not an accurate graph. There are perfectly good IT people in Mexico, Brazil, South Africa…never mind.
1) Japan IS highlighted.
2) In my experience the VAST majority of people in China didn’t know how to turn a computer on and off.
3) Until otherwise vocalized, I’d like to assume that the poster had no malicious intent against any society.
Remember, kids, race is a myth, but social and political conditions are very tangible!
The Philippines has many computer-literate people and the country is left out in this graph. Majority of people born from 1970 and up know how to use and troubleshoot computers. Unfortunately, our politicians are on the far end of the spectrum — and is dragging everyone down with their stupidity.
Let me guess — the person who made this graph is from Arizona, right?
Hey, most bias, ignorant statement of the week nominee right here!
You’d know all about bias.
Let me guess – Phoenix? Flagstaff? Some other miserable Arizona sh*thole town? Maybe Auschwitz, Az?
You and your state can go to Hell far as the rest of the free world is concerned, after that legislative stunt you pulled…
Oh no!!! they made it illegal to be an illegal!
Yep, illegal aliens became illegal immigrants became undocumented workers.
You know what, screw it, I am going to drive 100MPH everywhere, piss in public, and take whatever I want from whoever I choose. Laws/rules don’t apply unless we want them to anymore, so party on.
I’m from Arizona, and I agree with Waverly and Again.
I spent 5 years of my life in the US Army. Before I even got my boots, before they shaved my hair, before I did my first push-up, I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
You know, the Constitution… It’s that document which defines and protects your freedoms. It’s the paper and social contract upon which everything which makes our nation great is founded.
I swore that oath knowing full well that it could mean my life, so I made sure to understand the cornerstone of the United States.
AZ SB1070 breaks the 4th Amendment very clearly and specifically.
The 4th Amendment states “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
It makes no distinction between citizen, documented resident alien, or Jack who just landed in a boat from across the Atlantic. “The people” is defined as anyone who has anything to do with the US, whether they’re born here and traveling abroad, whether they’re sitting in a US Embassy abroad, or they’re within our borders.
SB1070 says that a police officer can (and must, or his jurisdiction gets sued) request proof that I’m a citizen if he performs a legal stop. Well, what’s a legal stop? Simply acknowledging the officer’s presence falls within that definition.
Now, I can understand a cop asking for ID if a crime has been committed, and they have reasonable suspicion that the person is involved in that crime. That’s well within the 4th Amendment, because it sets up probable cause. But asking for ID when there is no suspicion of any crime is a very clear, deliberate violation of the 4th Amendment. (accent, skin color, etc., are not basis for suspicion, because the only people who aren’t immigrants are Native Americans… and surprise surprise, people from Mexico look a lot more like Native Americans than any other group… in fact, the average Mexican national’s lineage IS Native American.)
I served my nation honorably, and gave my blood, sweat, and tears, not to mention sustained an injury that will stay with me the rest of my life (not combat related, so no medals)… I won’t let my home state spit in my face and disrespect the graves of the soldiers who came and went before me.
So please, make fun of Arizona. Call us bigots and racists, because far too many of us are. Compare us to the very fascists who we fought in WWII, because we’re doing the same thing the Nazi party did before the war started: marginalizing a population, making them into scapegoats, spreading fear and lies, and preventing full citizens of our nation from walking the streets without being persecuted based only on their appearance. No, we aren’t firing up the oven and making people dig their own graves, but Tent City bears a terrible and frightening resemblance to Auschwitz. (By the way, Tent City doesn’t house rapists and murderers… it’s a county jail, putting people with unpaid speeding tickets out in 120 degree weather… Oh, we’ve gotta punish them jay-walkers, and those frat boys who get too drunk over the weekend need to eat moldy bologna while Herr Arpaio’s wife gets rich off of the catering budget.) Boycott us, please!
I’m sorry, I usually don’t insult members of the US military; but you’re sorely misinformed and misguided. First, the Constitution only applies to legal United States citizens or permanent (legal, again, this is key) residents–this is a fact. Non-citizens are protected by international legal codes, like the Geneva Convention, but not the Constitution. If you’ve ever read Locke, you know our entire system of government is based on his writings, specifically the idea of a social contract. Citizens and permanent residents have entered the contract, illegal aliens haven’t; thus, the government (and the Constitution) do not apply to them. By your logic, any shmooze sitting on the steps of the American Embassy in “X” country is protected by the Constitution. By your logic, foreign armies in the US are protected too. By your logic, foreign diplomats wouldn’t need diplomatic immunity because they are protected by the Constitution. These are all untrue.
Secondly, no, the law does not break the 4th amendment. The 4th Amendment includes the phrase “probable cause,” doesn’t it? This new AZ law includes the phrase “reasonable suspicion,” doesn’t it? They are one and the same. No one can do anything unless there is evidence of some type of illegal activity going on. Do the police abuse the 4th amendment? Sure. Will the abuse this new law? Sure. But that isn’t the intent of the amendment nor SB1040; and it isn’t their fault if they are abused. They are still a good amendment and a good law; the fact that people may (illegally) abuse them doesn’t change that.
Third, the law does NOT require that every time an officer makes a stop, he asks for ID. It says that once he does make a fully legal stop because of some OTHER illegal activity or action (NOT skin color, accent, etc.), he has the right to check for ID if he suspects this person is illegal–if, for example, s/he doesn’t speak English–which is perfectly reasonable; how many Americans do you know who don’t speak English? If the person is a citizen, she flashes her ID; if he is a legal immigrant, he flashes the papers he is REQUIRED by federal law to carry at all times; and if he is an illegal immigrant, he is carted back to the country he came from, from which he can always LEGALLY immigrate to the US. I see no problem here.
Fourthly, no, Native Americans are not the only non-immigrants. Every single person born into the USA or naturalized is a citizen and NOT an immigrant. Sure, their ancestor(s) who FIRST came to America was an immigrant, but they themselves are not. The policy is the same today: illegal aliens are illegal; their American-born children are American citizens.
Lastly, if you don’t like Arizona, move. Stop whining, for God’s sake.
On your first point: Wrong. There was no distinction between legal and illegal residents when the Constitution was written. A person was either inside the United States, or they were outside. Citizenship was handled by the states, and while there were no hard and fast rules, generally a (white male) person was considered a citizen if they were active in politics. It wasn’t until the 14th Amendment that the rule of citizen-by-right-of-birth was enacted on a federal level, as a reaction to the Civil War, and even then, the Constitution was very vague on what a naturalized citizen was while still making no point on residency. The Constitution has never made a distinction between a documented or undocumented resident, and while illegal immigrants may be breaking federal laws, they are still protected by the Constitution. As are people within embassies and military bases abroad, as a person seeking asylum within them must have an extradition hearing if their entry is not barred. When I was in South Korea, I was subject to Korean law while not on base, and Koreans were subject to US law while on base. Foreign armies fall under the provisions in the Constitution under martial law, as the areas which they occupy are no longer considered US soil, and prisoners of war are treated under the same rules as our military personnel are treated.
The only place within our borders that the Constitution does not apply to all residents regardless of their legal status is port of entries… and that is based on federal law rather than constitutional law and could be challenged in court (though I’m betting not even the lowest levels of Federal court would hear such a case, much less get to the Supreme Court.)
Additionally, this law will be levied against legal residents and citizens, because there is no way to determine a person’s immigration status until the officer takes action based on SB 1070. So, it doesn’t matter whether illegal immigrants are protected under the US Constitution or not, because it effects people who are undeniably party to the social contract.
To your second point: Wrong again. The 4th Amendment says that a search or seizure without a warrant is illegal, and that probable cause is required to gain a warrant. SB 1070 says that a search and arrest can be conducted without first obtaining a warrant. The Supreme Court has ruled that if an officer has knowledge of a crime, and extenuating circumstances (such as a very high probability of a violent crime being committed in the future, or the evidence is in view from a public location, such as drugs in someone’s back seat) that the officer may bypass the 4th Amendment restrictions. The evidence of a person’s legal status, however, is hidden in their pocket or purse, not in plain sight, and being an illegal resident is not a violent crime. SB 1070 is a general warrant, the very thing which the 4th Amendment was written to prohibit.
To your third point: Partially correct. An officer does not have to verify everyone’s residency status. However, your definition of a legal stop is not the same definition used in the courts of Arizona. A legal stop does not require a crime to be committed, any time an officer (who is obviously an officer, such as wearing a uniform or in the case of undercover or off duty officers, when they identify themselves as such) stops a person for any reason, even to compliment them on their hat or talk about the weather, that is a legal stop. At that point, an officer can then check the person’s identification without a warrant, and without probable cause that a person will perform a violent crime and without seeing evidence of a crime having been committed.
Fourth, I was talking about racial origins, not geographical location of birth for individuals. A minor point, but since I was going point-by-point anyways, I might as well include this one as well.
Lastly, you obviously know your way around the Constitution… I’m a bit surprised that you’re even entertaining the thought of “love it or leave it.” That’s nationalistic, not patriotic, and the founding fathers most certainly didn’t entertain that idea… Rather than leaving the Colonies when they were under restrictive, unfair and unjust laws, they changed the government.
For me to leave Arizona would mean breaking the oath I made when I enlisted… Rather than standing up against an enemy of the US Constitution, I would be giving away my power as a citizen of Arizona, and giving away my voice, being labeled as just another outsider who doesn’t know what is going on. I could not do that, any more than I could abandon my post while I was still enlisted. To ask me to leave Arizona is synonymous in my situation to asking me to commit treason.
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tl;dr
Ditto. Can we just agree that the Constitution, like the Bible or any other doctrine written in other times and circumstances shouldn’t be interpreted so damn literally all the time? –that it needs to apply to modern situations to remain valid, or it becomes obsolete? (Or we could just all live like in olden times and be Mennonites! Yay! Bonnets for everyone!)
P.S. – Everyone’s entitled to HUMAN rights, but those are different from CITIZENSHIP rights — and for good reason.
Mom, is that you?!
The person that made this graph is dumb! Why would you make Florida blue?
This is pretty f***ing racist and I demand that it be taken down NOW.
A**holes.
In soviet Russia computer fix you!
Great Graph, and very very true. Too much PC police crying about “racism” here, you need to pull your heads out of your asses!
and maybe you should just stove yours back in and let it there
would be better for the whole world
If you don’t think this picture is racist, you need to get a new dictionary.
Thats racist… There are good professionals all around the world, not just in the blue place ¬¬
Racist as all hell.
lol the black sea is highlighted blue
Boo.
To everyone saying ‘racist’ – do you not have a sense of humour? Grow up.
It’s not funny. Comedy generally has a grain of truth embedded in somewhere that makes us laugh; this doesn’t.
I tried to laugh, really I did. But when you are in the IT profession and in the white (or red) area, it really isn’t so funny anymore.
The people who need to do the growing are those that need to start learning about other countries in the world.
Yep, racist.
If you wanted to say that the call centers are bad, you sould have painted the whole world red.
If you wanted to say that the call center people don’t know how to solve a problem, you should have used a pizza(or pie, whatever) graph: People how know how to fix a computer and people from call centers.
Shame on you.
I’m very sure that big island thingumywhat next to America is property of Denmark, and as this map is colored per country, shouldn’t it have been colored blue as well?
Greenland, while it is not a highly populated country, considering a good portion of it’s land mass is in the arctic circle, it is still a country. Though the arctic circle does not have a big “keep out sign” along it’s borders, I just imagine few people would want to live in such a cold and harsh environment.
I would like to correct you all. While there are indeed many countries in asia who are a bit ahead of the U.S., many parts of those countries have their areas of poverty. Take, for example, the complicated continent of Africa. It is broken apart into a vast collection of classes. While South Africa is a wealthy, predominately white tourist location, many parts of it are secluded and poverty ridden. And it’s not just Africa either. Look at America. We have a place in WI called Germantown, and it is very wealthy. Everything there is so expensive compared to my town of Manitowoc. My general point is that there is no class that every person in a country can fit into, and therefore there is no way to say that a theoretically 3rd world country is filled with a bunch of hobos who are stupid. That is definately not the case in any place.
In Soviet Russia, computer problem solves you !
You don’t know anything about Brasil and our use of technologies!!!
Ah, delightful, the political correctness barbeque has already started.
mmm, chipotle sauce.
Dude! you forgot Israel! highest number of computer/technology related start-ups in the world.
In my honest opinion, this graph is more of a preteen girl’s list of countries she thinks are cool rather than capable tech support. I’m from Texas, but the tech support here is usually pretty crappy. (I actually got someone on the phone who said, “hit it, maybe it’ll start woking.”)
Umm… Korea can do that too…
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Not that I’m not content with Australia being blue but … rascist much?
ITT Butthurt people looking for pity on the internet, lol. Stop bitching everyone, no one cares, and most of you are just crying to cause trouble
It’s not a knowledge thing, a language barrier stops any help they could possible provide
So no one in China knows how to work a computer?
Yes.
Geez, relax. I’m from Sweden, live and work in India, showed this to some Indian friends who are in software development and they laughed their a**ses off. Crying racist about anything that might be offensive isn’t exactly the solution either you know.
I love how so many people are missing the fact that the whole point of the submission is about the stereotype about call centers. It probably could have been done better, but a 1st glance it was obvious what it was about.
“Hey I’m from Greenland and I’m greatly offended by this because its racist!!!!!!111!11″
Geez people, lighten up. This is not racist, its just pointing out a sad reality. Most of the countries that are not shades are developing and the average person there wouldn’t know how to fix a computer problem. It doesn’t mean that if you are from that country, you cant solve a computer issue, it just means that the majority there can’t.
The majority of the people in the countries that are shaded blue can’t fix computers, either. It may be a higher proportion than in some developing countries, but as has been pointed out, some of the white countries (and, in fact, the red one too) do have a *lot* of people who know about computers, even compared to the countries shaded in blue here. Language barrier =/= incompetence, and people in entry-level jobs =/= the best experts a country has to offer.
Haha, I love how people on these comments are whining and bitching about it being racist. A normal person with a sense of humor would notice that this graph is just making fun of India’s lousy tech support and not making fun of people in the non shades countries. My country isn’t shaded but I think this is hilarious.
Grow up and get a sense of humor please.
it would’ve been better if all the other countries were shaded blue and india was the only one in red.a change on the caption will do the trick.hopefully it wouldn’t turn out to be racist to indians,
A slightly different wording on the title might have made it work better.
Besides the problem is not the people employed to provide the support, it’s the companies that sell us services that they expect to maintain at the lowest possible cost.
OI! we know computers in Israel! how do you think we jailbreak every single gadget that is sold here?
lol, racism much??
It’s not just the richest countries that know how to fix a computer.
Actually i don’t understand why a poor Polish guy would know more about fixing a computer than a rich guy from South Africa, or Brazil
So what’s wrong with Greenland now then?
Do we really think that Eskimos in the far Northern reaches of Canada can solve computer problems?
Fact: 90% of Canada’s population lives within 100 miles of the U.S. border.
This isn’t even remotely “racist,” but even if it was, so what? *Reality* is racist. If you’re of European or East Asian descent and you’re not a racist, then you haven’t been paying attention.
People take the internets far too seriously.
You filled Black Sea with the blue colour ).
People get so offended so easily. Laaaaaaaame. Most the people here on both sides of all the arguments don’t even know what they’re talking about and are hiding behind their own pre-conceived notions of the world. I agree the graph could have had more thought put into it, but this is graph jam — not an actual news or educational site with any kind of funded research department. Everyone from all countries: do you actually know how computer literate your country is? Do you know how computer literate EVERY other country is? People saying ‘it doesn’t matter’ – I think with very little effort, the graph maker could have looked at this himself and realized it would come off a little racist. Why not use lighter and darker shades of blue or reword the titles a little? Give us something.
But that all said, you all get offended WAY too easily. I don’t think there’s any malicious intent, and I don’t think anyone’s going to use this graph in their doctorate as PROOF that country X can’t use computers. People dumb enough to take this graph at face-value probably … don’t know how to use a computer … Hey!
I usually laugh at dumb graphs on here, but this one is just.. idiotic. It doesn’t even make sense. And, honestly, I have received really good support from various Indian workers. Yes, it’s hard as hell to understand their accents. But, they did all they could to help me and I was satisfied with the result. Meanwhile, the majority of American tech support has turned out to be a collective asshole.
Why isn’t Svalbard covered, that’s part of Norway, or greenland, its owned by Denmark, or Novaya Zemlya, it’s part of Russia. there are many flaws with this graph but i won’t get into full detail of it
While not getting into the racist-non racist discussion here (would also not like to start a new one about this comment!), I would like to point out that The Netherlands are colored blue while most of the world thinks all we do here is smoke weed. That’s funny to me. ^^
dude. don’t bogart this thread. just pass
This is hilarious – lighten up, people.
I love how everyone missed the point of the graph completely just so they could rush down and yell ‘racist’.
I think the blue areas are supposed to represent places in the world that are abound with computers. A few obvious ones were left out, but when you think of the white areas most people don’t exactly think ‘technologically advanced’. That’s not racist, it’s just the first world’s perception, and it also happens to be true to a degree.
But the joke of the graph rings true- and it’s not so much that Indian workers don’t know how to fix computers, but more that you can’t understand what they’re saying half the time for them to help you. While that’s not their fault, it doesn’t make it any less frustrating.
But as I said above, language barrier =/= incompetence. And I’m pretty sure you’d have the same sort of language barrier issues dealing with tech support from Russia or, well, pretty much any country that doesn’t primarily speak English (and even then, you might run into problems with accents.) I’m not saying it’s not frustrating, but saying it’s because they don’t know what they’re doing and not because you can’t understand them is insulting at best.
I agree with you. Everyone wants to pull out the rascist card.
But in all honesty, New Zealand is coloured blue while South Africa isn’t? I live in South Africa but from my experiences in New Zealand we are more technologically advanced than they are. Cellphones for instance, when my mother’s boss in NZ saw my old Sony Ericsson he was surprised that it didn’t have an external aerial.
How do you get a world map from graphbuilder? It’s not one of the options.
Judging by the comments, I think I would have to agree that successful [and potentially inadvertent] troll was very successful.
I used to work in a call center in mexico awnsering question to stupid americans about their computers. It was disgusting, more than half of the time they were chewing some chips or something and asked stupid ass questions.
This is indeed racist. Yes people do use computers in everywhere else. It would have been funny if this website is some sort of local redneck news station.. but wait it’s a website. People around the world including those in countries without the blue tint can see this. Oh wait, we are too stupid to even know that graphjam.com even exists right? WRONG! I’m surprised there’s no “report” button on this.
heads up, the term “redneck” is pejorative too.
and yeah, usually love the site but this one pushes it a bit, if only because the main criteria for the blue countries seems to be “rich and/or white people”. plus i don’t know about y’all but in my experience decent tech support is rare ANYWHERE
“redneck” is used in that sentence to refer to racists, not to refer to a cultural group.
I don’t find this racist, because I know quite a few white people who don’t know much about computers and ask me for help.
(I’m a mixed race…)
I also know some white people who are really good with computers, so it really just varies.
Quit being so butthurt.
What a load of bull crap!
WTF. A drunk Indian can fix a computer faster than an American. Keep in mind that most computer companies have a large amount of Indian employees.
Yes, it’s racist. So what?
SO WHAT?????
Oh yeah??? Well, at least in the graph we’re white, and not BLUE like you!!!!!!!!!!! x(
Stupid blue!
There’s so many things wrong with this picture I’m not even sure where to begin. It’s been pointed out that it’s racist… or rather, location-cist or whatever. But, pray tell, what classification did they use to make such a map? What kind of research data indicated that the fish in the Black Sea are smart enough to fix a computer, but those living in the Great Lakes aren’t? Why was Greenland left out and why was Iceland included? Didn’t they realize that “Eyjafjallajokul” is just Icelandic for “overheating PSU”?
From what I see a lot of really good CS people come from India. Also, this person took the time to highlight Iceland, but not countries like China and Korea? If it’s accents we are making fun of then okay…but can anyone actually understand all of the European English accents…
All in all, awful image
you guys think you’re better than the rest of the world… that’s so american! you probably have no idea of what south america looks like. we have pcs, assholes. we don’t live in the woods. brazilian is the most commom nationality in twitter. we have more than 35 million people connected to internet, which is certainly more than the whole population of some countries you have listed… think about it
I’m argentinian. I feel insulted D:
Racist. I feel very bad. I’m Indian. I feel insulted. *sigh*
Er.. it is more like this.
Blue: Location of folks who think they know everything about computers
Red: Location of folks who actually do. :p
LOL!
This is graph is just plain wrong. The creator of it think he/she know everything about computers.
Just think, there must be a solid reason why tech companies put their support team at India. It because they are experts! Besides India, Asia and South America continent house lots of technical support offices.
I guess eastern Slovakia isn’t big on IT.
Or they live in a narrow-ass country where the 1-pixel borders leave no space for the blue. (btw my bf is from those parts and he has a MSc in CS)
Is this why all those countries call the tech support? Because they know how to solve computer problems and just want a friendly chat with the fellas at tech support?
Just change the key to:
Blue: people who need tech support
Red: people who give tech support
Clear: people who don’t need tech support because they can figure it out on their own. (I’m in the clear area)
Note: India has been successful in the tech support business because people are willing to pay for it – which means that they must believe they are getting something useful.
if you (assuming you live in one of the blue colored places) knew how to solve a computer problem, why would you even call the tech support in the first place? If you ppl were so brilliant, just solve it yourselves, and not call the support team. The entire map should be red, in that case. Most calls for the support teams do come from these blue colored places, which contradicts your hypothesis that the ppl in the blue colored places know how to solve the problems…
And FYI, Indians are much more intelligent than Americans or Europeans. We were the ones who first started using the number system. And we were the ones who came up with 0, without which you really wouldn’t have the binary system (which works with just 0s and 1s, if you didn’t know already), your damn computers work on. The Indus valley civilization was the first civilization and we had much more advanced thinking before any civilization did. And the stupid European scientists then just re-stated whatever the Indian scientists found far before their time. Try imagining how your computer would run without 0s.
So think before you put up such a ridiculous graph… Maybe an Indian should put up a graph on culture differences between the east and west. And then you ppl would scorn on that. But if ppl in the west do it, its not wrong, eh?
“But if ppl in the west do it, its not wrong, eh?”
“its not wrong, eh?”
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I’m not going to comment on that.
Incidentally, a friend of mine who works at a tech support in India, had very “intelligent” calls from USA asking for help… Guess what most people didn’t know? That their computer needs to be connected to the power supply for it to “display colors” and that they needed an internet connection to be able to access the internet… Ha! So much for the people who know how to solve problems! Too bad, they just don’t have common sense, which the other non-blue countries have!
Why crib against India? People who published this do not even have a faint idea about the brains in here. People are highly talented and put a lot of time to work. And the second best thing is they do not charge everything on Earth to answer a dumb question about your PC.
Indians have done very well everywhere. If you can’t be good to them at least do not criticize them.
I work tech support, tier3 is in India and I swear by them, they do have the answer, they all want to help and I’ve had nothing but great experiences from my fellow Indian co-workers. This graph is racist.
racist? lol The point of this graph is to point out that all support lines go through India. And It normally has nothing to do with the knowledge but more with the rediculous language barrier that customers have to deal with when they need help. ffs. I dont hate Indians and no this isn’t racist. Being Indian isn’t a f***ing race, its a nationality you douche. Theres only one race and thats the human race do eat it.
* ridiculous.
*facepalm* That’s not what makes it racist. What makes it racist is that ALL of the countries that are predominantly white (except for Greenland, and I’m really not sure why they were left out) supposedly know how to fix computers, and NONE of the countries that are predominantly any other race (except for Japan) do. And if it was making fun of the language barrier, it should have *said* something about the language barrier (which would be just as bad talking to people from most of the countries in blue, BTW), instead of implying that tech support people from India don’t know what they’re doing.
HAHAHAA!!! This Graph says that the inhabitants of THE BLACK SEA can solve a computer problem. I Assume they are the eilte! :>
Exactly… everyone’s calling this picture “racist,” but Blacks were included in the knowledgeable-about-computers category.
*cue laughter*
Thank you Interwebz, I’m in town all week!
Haha I just noticed that too ! just came here to post that rofl
I work in a tech company founded & run by computer scientists. The only person w/o a PhD in C.S.? The American.
I can’t decide if this is more racist or more stupid.
Eh I give up. It’s as stupid as it is racist.
Racist. How do people let this one pass up?
We have friggin’ computers in Mexico. LOTS OF THEM.
Black sea is a state?
This is so wrong, I live in New Zealand (next to Australia) which is highlighted and tech support is never in NZ, I always get redirected to America, Indonesia and quite often Asia. This graph is incorrect
It is incorrect, but I believe you misread it as well. The graph doesn’t say that tech support is *located* in New Zealand, it says that people in New Zealand (as well as all the other blue countries) know how to fix computer problems, while tech support is only located in India (which is *not* one of the countries where people supposedly know how to fix computer problems.) This is false both because many of the countries where people supposedly don’t know how to solve computer problems are in fact known for their expertise in computers (and probably all countries have at least some computer experts), and because, as you said, tech support is in several other countries besides India.
Americans know how to fix a computer problem? screw off! theres a video of a woman saying the government was putting chemicals in the water because it made a RAINBOW AFFECT
Eh, stupid people are everywhere, too (and I’m reasonably sure that woman was mentally ill, probably schizophrenic, as well as not knowing basic science.) That doesn’t mean there aren’t also people here who know how to fix computers, though I’d be pretty surprised if the US was at the top of the list for that. Probably not at the bottom, either, but I’ve encountered too many stupid people here who don’t seem to get that the computer’s not broken, they’re just using it wrong.
crazy people be everywhere
Wait a minute, NZ is next to Australia? When did this happen and how did they get it there?
… if this comment isnt sarcasm you fail.
WRONG.
i really think this graph is racist
I really hope this gets taken down! I was really offended by it, and I can see lots of other people were too. I’m from America, and I can’t understand technology. Most people I know don’t understand it and rely on technology experts in places like India to answer their questions. Just because a person on tech support has an accent doesn’t mean that they aren’t good at their jobs.
You morons are all reading way too much into this. It’s a damn joke, and a good one at that. If you haven’t gotten an Indian on the line who you absolutely cannot understand at all when calling for help with a credit card, computer, etc… then you live under a rock. Get over it and laugh or go home.
Scharf, FYI not all of the people who visit this site are Americans. I am Mexican, and my tech support lives here in Mexico. We have people who work in the field of informatics, for example, my brother is in the business of bioinformatics. I find this ignorant and racist because it IS ignorant and racist.
Yes it’s a joke, kind of true but a joke ! Just take it
Not a good joke, okay a sort of joke without humour type of joke…just take it….down NOW!
Racist mother Fu!@# I hope you get to travel around the globe you stupid white trash. And then I hope you get your balls cut off for being so stupid
dont hate on greenland yo
You coloured in the Caspian Sea!
Whoever made this assumes that every single country in Europe is some kind of perfect economic utopia, which is not true. Europe is NOT a land of magical living conditions, first of all. Prosperity in Germany doesn’t necessarily compare to the conditions in, say, Bosnia or Albania or Belarus, all of which are still suffering from the repercussions of decades of Soviet incompetence.
But even that doesn’t really mean anything. Although billions of people don’t have direct ownership of a computer, they still can use them at internet cafes.
Even though so many have access to computers, that still doesn’t matter because even in the developed countries that supposedly “have people who know how to fix their computer problems” are still full of morons who have no idea how to do more than open microsoft word, let alone set up a printer. Anything more complicated is incomprehensible.
I don’t really think whoever made this graph was actually racist, but misinformed… no … a total idiot who knows little about the world outside of the average americentric viewpoint of the average American. The Black Sea is no longer inhabitable, Europe is not a magical land full of stereotypical affluent/intelligent people, and there are intelligent people who live outside of the U.S. satellites; they’re actually not savages to be visited sporadically for community service trips, kicks, and giggles. Shocking, isn’t it?
But, yeah outsourcing sucks too. Being put on hold only to have an unintelligible conversation with someone 10000 miles away who can barely understand you, and you can barely decipher their accent is *insert dripping sarcasm here* totally my idea of a good time. Oh, but that makes me a racist now…. I guess… you know, as opposed to be wanting decent customer support and to be treated like a human being.
I have not met 1 Indian who knew that the hell they were doing when it comes to computers or anything technical. Every one was as dumb as a bag of hammers and I’ve worked with a bunch professionally.
id like to point out most of ur “high tech” gear isnt assembled in any of the countries highlighted in blue…
and… k lets wait and think about this for a second… YOU have a tech problem and need to contact THEM… whos worse at tech? those who live in glass houses should NOT throw stones
A$$#ole, did you know that your nice intel processors are made in my country, and that 50% of our exports are classified as “high tech”? and did you also know that this country also gives the tech suport for HP as well? this is the worst post ive ever seen, you’re an idiot
Was this map based on actual data or just crap you pulled out of your ass?
I would be offended by this if I didn’t know it was made by an ignorant American who had to Google India to find out where it is. He only colored the parts he knows in blue. He doesn’t know what the rest is.
Could the person who did this be any more ignorant? ‘Cause the graphic really, really sucks. And, instead of arguing about which countries should be blue and which shouldn’t, let’s take a look on the other graphics, that are way funnier than this one.
This is F..ing racist, are you saying all latin america doesnt know how to use computers WTH. This just shows you are either a huge dbag racist or just plain ignorant.
Incredible how outrageous and argument-filled a small polemic Cheezburger network submission can become, eh?
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I’ll ignore the blatant racism of this image and simply ask. Why is Greenland almost as big as the entire of Africa?
Because it’s a Mercator projection, which attempts to take a sphere and stretch it into a rectangle. As a result, the closer a landmass is to one of the poles (where the stretching is infinite, as a single point is made to be as long as the equator), the larger it appears to be.
Exactly. Imagine the earth like an orange… and you make a cut on one side and take the peel off so it looks like pacman. To lay it flat on a table, you have to make cuts in the top and bottom, which leaves gaps (like this http://www.kidsgeo.com/images/interrupted-map-projection.gif). However, this is OBVIOUSLY not a rectangle, so map projections like Mercator stretch it into a rectangle. Other projections are more accurate, just less popular. if you want more info, go to Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection
Appreciate the eloquent answer. Thanks
So people in the Black Sea can fix a computer problem but Brazilians can’t?!
look at all the bitter insecure people who cant accept the realityof this informative graph. how sad.
i’m from the middle east :’[ , but i 75% agree with you !
It’s not racist. The red countries are richer and not 3rd world countries. I think it’s safe to say that countries that have many people who can afford and buy a computer (and most of the people in these countries do) know how to use a computer. Sorry if poverty stricken people don’t know how to use a computer.
people… it’s a JOKE.
I kinda lol’ed at this because there is a KERNEL of truth in it (haha). I’m American, and I have pretty in-depth knowledge of computer troubleshooting and theory, but on several occasions (primarily due to warrantied items for family members) I’ve had to call up tech support. Generally speaking, probably 90% of the people I have spoken to are Indian. Out of that 90%, probably about 60% of them spoke wonderful English and were able to easily help me with my problem. The other forty percent…. well, they were pretty useless, and wasted hours upon hours of my life. So yeah, the guy who made this graph doesn’t have a real clue about what countries have computer backgrounds (US internet is terribly slow, and most Americans have ZERO clue how computers work…) but I thought it was still funny because most tech support is in underdeveloped countries where labor is cheapest, not where strong computer skills are. TL,DR; Yeah, the graph’s stupid, but it’s still pretty funny that the people you call for tech support often have way less knowledge than us internet people.
Okay, I have a few things to point out here:
It is not racist. Stop f***ing bitching. The point of the graph is humour. I can pull out the “Lack of Knowledge is not Idiocy/Racism/Sexism etc.” argument, or I could point out how the graph IS actually accurate to some extent, but I can’t be bothered. I just want to say: You pricks trying to censor every tiny thing by denouncing it as racist are ruining society. So piss off.
Secondly: The graph is horrible. Canada is not twice the size of America, Russia is not bigger than the rest of the world put together, and Greenland is NOT 3 times as large as Africa. In fact, Greenland isn’t even 1/3 the size of Australia, and Australia is roughly 1/4 the size of Africa. So yeah, the Greenland to Africa scale is about 3:1 instead of 1:12.
Regarding your comment about the map itself: as mentioned above, it’s a Mercator projection. It happens to be the most popular, probably because it makes for a nice, rectangle-shaped map. Unfortunately, that means that the closer something is to one of the poles, the more it has to be stretched, to make it so that each line of latitude is the same length as the equator.