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If fight club is such an amazing movie, why can’t I remember anything about it?
Fight Club had a TERRIBLE plot. I remember that much anyway.
Seriously? The commentary on modern consumerism and the radical reaction to it, mixed with the personal conflict the main character feels about manhood and his own insanity, is terrible? Not that the movie is without it’s flaws, but by all standards it’s very good.
The thing that always gets me is that in Tyler’s hunter gatherer society there would be no doctors to sew them up after fight club. All of his disciples would die off in a couple months due to infected lacerations and the complete inability to forage for themselves given the fact that the best they could do in an organized society are menial jobs like 7/11 clerk or copy boy.
Say what you want about our consumption driven global economy, but without it you wouldn’t even have typed that comment because your computer would have never been built and sold. Teens, and adults who think like them, idolize the movie (or book, if they’ve read it) because they feel trapped and alienated by the world around them, so the plot is relatable to them. What they don’t think about is what they would do without organized society (like I mentioned before). Granted, our world isn’t perfect, but I’ll take the ability to refrigerate my food over sustenance farming any day.
slippery slope is slippery?
I think you’re putting waaaay too much into it that isn’t even there. In the movie they want everyone’s debt to be wiped clean (thus, exploding the credit buildings). How does that mean we will be a hunter-gatherer society?
He just doesn’t want us to be indentured servants to consumerism (which is what the USA’s economy is based off of) and huge corporations (example being the credit companies)
FTW – I was about to say something just like that. It was slavery to credit, not just consumerism, that Tyler was fighting; it’s hard to get out from under debt when you’re being charged 20% and your paycheque stretches just enough to cover the bare necessities. That was why he struck the credit companies; get rid of the records of debt and let people start anew.
the REAL reason is if he blows up the credit card companies, everyones money, regardless of if they were in debt or multi millionares, they would be broke. total chaos. he wasn’t being a robin hood like you are saying, but created an anarchist society.
I think I remember Tyler saying something about imagining hunting deer or something in the streets of the city too. It’s been a while since I watched the movie tho. Either way the destruction of all debt will lead to a breakdown of society anyway, or at least mass chaos rioting and looting. I think what everyone is forgetting is that if you want to free yourself from all of that you can just go live in a grass hut somewhere, or never use a credit card lol. fight club and the freedom through the destruction of credit is just a pretense to upset the status quo.
Of course Tyler’s view of the world is messed up, impossible, and unrealistic, that IS the point. It’s supposed to speak to the insanity of both sides. The marginalization of individuals of mainstream society, and the absurd over-reaction of anarchic generation X kids. The point of the movie is that while our modern world is dull, grow the heck up and make something better out of it instead of trying to destroy it.
Plot.
Plot, you twit, plot.
“Commentary on modern consumerism” is NOT a plot.
You seriously can’t understand the plot of this movie? What a sad individual.
you idiot! commentary on modern consumerism isn’t a plot. Why don’t we send you back to fourth grade so maybe they’ll be able to drill the definition of a plot through that thick skull of yours.
third.
It’s FULL of subtle commentary, you just need to look harder.
Consumerism, Manhood, Reality, Modern Society etc…
So, you can’t tell the difference between ‘plot’ and ‘subtle commentary’?
You need to look harder.
The plot…seriously? Guy goes insane and creates an underground fight club in a journey of self-discovery and realization. It’s also part romance with Marla Singer. Yeah, really. Fight Club is basically a romance.
A VIOLENT romance. With insanity and explosions! Fight Club is pure win.
Did I say anything about the plot? No, it’s just the commentary itself deserves a harder look, without it, it would be just like any other movie. Lots of people don’t notice the more subtle things, you’d think the plot would be obvious.
God, I don’t know why I bother replying to trolls anyway.
well, this is just someone’s opinion
fail.
I remember EVERYThING about it.
What’s wrong about new but unpopular stars??
Nobody watches it.
Yeah, I thought that section should have been called “Indie Movies.” There’s nothing wrong with them (a lot of my favorite movies are independent movies), but no one sees them because of their lack of money.
i know lord of the rings had unknowns and it did great
orly?
Sir Ian McKellan, Elijah Wood, Christopher Lee, Sean Astin, Sean Bean, and Jonathan Rhys-Meyers and that’s all without IMDB so right, unknowns…
Elijah Wood? Unknown? Hardly. He’s been in movies since I was a kid and was famous waaaay before Lord of the Rings. Internal Affairs, Radio Flyer, The Good Son, North, Flipper, Deep Impact, The Faculty, etc. were all before LOTR. He was the reason a lot of people saw the Lord of the rings to begin with.
Dude. Ever heard of sarcasm?
I hope for you that was a nesting fail. If not, you’re probably one of those people who have slight difficulty in surviving the real world.
Since when did being unpopular mean that you suck?
His unpopular what? Or did you think you were writing ‘you’re’?
I am guessing you don’t know the difference.
Dude, he made an easy to make mistake. If you are going to get so bent out of shape about it such a simple mistake, go correct everyone on this whole damn network.
Not to mention there are bigger errors in that comment that should be brought up if you’re going to be picky about one homonym:
“Well, you’re unpopular and you suck. [Is that a] “coinkidink”? I think not.
Capitalization, punctuation, and usage/spelling errors, along with a run-on (if the ellipses don’t close a sentence) and a word that doesn’t exist.
Before you flame, I wasn’t being serious. But look at the comment. Didn’t seem too out of the ordinary, did it? Think about that.
I think what this graph is getting at is that films with unkown actors rarely are watched by the masses, and just have to rise up to the levels of “cult classic”, like for example the film “secret of NIMH”.
You are the epitome of trolling. Die, please.
For the love of christmas can we stop posting graphs that have such unimaginative opposites! IE: Good plot, bad plot, etc…
HEY! You’re not supposed to talk about Fight Club.
D:
I feel like Boondock Saints should be between Good Plot and Amazing Acting. That’s just my opinion though.
Are you on crack cocaine? That movie was one of the worst I’ve ever seen!
Are you kidding? I think you must be the only person on Earth who didn’t like Boondock Saints. The sequel is going to suck though; not the same writer/director.
Boondock Saints and Fight Club are two of my favourite movies.
So, Twilight has neither a good plot nor a bad plot?
It must have an un-plot.
That’s called no plot.
Twilight= emotianal wreckeges fof characters, makeout scenes, and no plot.
UHG, more of these worthless diagrams using “X / Not X” It drives me nuts.
Seriosuly, not even the Twilight jab can redeem this.
So there’s only a small overlap between well known movie stars and good acting. Somehow I always suspected as much.
Venn Diagrams only indicate the existence of a relationship, not the extent of a relationship between sets.
I agree with MrSeagull about the “X/ Not X”-thing. By the way there are way more films in the Fight Club category. FILM KNOWLEDGE FAIL
Duh. Fight Club is the favorite film of anyone who’s never seen a good film or is too stupid to understand what makes a film excellent.
Completely objective comment, my good sir. Please restrain from attacking the tastes of everyone unless a movie is seriously overrated (I doubt, personally, that Fight Club is overrated, opposite of Twillight). Enough said. May you not die too quickly.
I’m tired of these uninspired graphs where the cross section opposite each circle is “Not [opposite circle text]“.
Please try harder to be creative and funny.
Where’s your graph?
adorable! You trot out the classic “well let’s see YOU do better” argument, one that is right up there with such time-honored classics as “well if you don’t like it don’t look at it” and “YOU’RE JUST JEALOUS”.
Tell me, how does it feel to be blindingly stupid? Do you ever think before you speak, or are you too busy fondling yourself and suckling the ass of the OP?
Let me put it this way, so that maybe your tiny, pea-sized brain can handle the information: you don’t have to be a chef to tell if the food’s poorly cooked.
Likewise, you don’t need to make your own graph to criticize other graphs.
In summary: you’re an idiot, possibly fat, still living with your parents, and definitely a furry and a Twihard.
Twihard? thats new!
Twihard 399 up, 164 down
An serious/obsessive reader of the Twilight Saga by Stephenie Meyer, one leap above Twilighters.
The difference between being a Twilighter and being a Twihard, is that Twihards have embraced a new Twiligion… er…. I mean, religion based on Twilight. They live and breath Twilight. Most Twihards are for Edward and Bella. Therefore, those Twihards are all for true love & love at first sight. Point out one thing to a Twihard, and they can relate it to Twilight instantly. Savage and wild, they need every single thing to be perfect in the upcoming Twilight movie.
WAYS TO TELL IF YOU ARE A TWIHARD.
(Or at least, me being a Twihard myself, this is what I do)
1. You constantly check the Lex for new updates. Daily. (Six times an hour for me.)
2. Twilight Tuesday is the most important day of the week.
3. You dream of going to Forks, or living in Forks.
4. You have urges to visit Italy.
5. It’s sick, but you wish Vampires totally existed so you can marry one.
6. You refer to Twilight as “literary crack” or a “textually transmitted disease”
7. You’ve supplied said literary crack to your friends, and wouldn’t talk to them until they read the series.
2. Twihard 332 up, 155 down
Stupid obsessive people (mostly teenage girls) who are “in love with fictional characters and wouldn’t know a good book if it punched them in the face.
Twihard: “OMG!! Isn’t Edward Cullen like so hot??? I’m gonna marry him!!!”
Awesome person who isn’t insane: “Dude, he’s not real.”
Twihard: “How could you say that?! I’m in love with him!!”
3. Twihard 147 up, 96 down
A mixture of the words ‘Twilight’ and ‘Try-hard’. It is one of many names given to the fanbase of Stephenie Meyer’s series of books, Twilight, New Moon and Eclipse (and Breaking Dawn, not yet released).
“Oh my god, I can’t wait until the Twilight movie comes out in December!!!”
“You are such a Twihard.”
spendhoursonacommentmuch?
Sure. Cause it takes hours to copy and paste stuff.
Someone hasn’t been to the movies in about 10 years.
There’s not point in arguing over the inclusion of Fight Club, since its inclusion is obviously secondary to the set-up for bashing Twilight.
This is rare. This is very rare. This might just be the most unoriginal graph in the history of graph jam. It combines the lack of content, unoriginality, and lack of understanding of Venn diagrams of an “X paradox” with the one topic which EVERYBODY says they hate to win a “look at me I’m a nonconformist”, has been dealt with to death, and always wins points with the idiot crowd: Twilight bashing.
If you unprovokedly bash Twilight, you fail. You fail at any form of original notion. You might feel a sense of superiority, but you are being as original as nonconformists. That is to say: you conform at least as the ones you’re bashing. You fail.
If you use the “paradox” set-up: A+B = not C, B+C = not A, A+C = not B, you FAIL at mathematics, and you FAIL at thought in general. You fail at mathematics because A is also not C and not B, etc. etc. If you say only A+B is not C, you say A and B do not exist. (note: A is the part with only A. A+B is the part with both A and B, etc.), and therefore the shape of the graph fails. You fail at thought because you can not even wrap your head around your own concept, and come up with examples of A+B, B+C and A+C. You can’t even find proper examples of what you are saying, and you fail.
The one and only thing “original” about this graph is “fight club” in the center. And while it’s surely an original idea, it’s just plain wrong, and shows your taste fails.
In short: every single element of this graph is a FAIL. It’s really quite stunning how a graph can fail so hard and not tear a hole in the universe and suck us all into oblivion, because that would barely increase the amount of fail of this graph.
Wow, Phillip. Great commentary on this graph. Too bad most of the idiots on here won’t get it at all!
They all said tl;dr to themselves
Would I be included as an idiot if i said “rant win”?
wow, philip’s sorta sexy and forceful and smart. Philip>Perthuis
I was all ready to agree wholeheartedly with this reply, untill you said that because he chose Fightlub, his taste fails.
Agreed. The “Opposite in opposed intersection” is neither original nor intelligent. Well, at least in the case where quality words like “good” and “bad” are used you can still considder the rest “average”.
But I guess it is save to say, that the author of this venn diagram did not intent to say, that Twilight has an average plot, average stars and average acting, so: Yes, I agree. It’s a failgraph.
phil – don’t think your crap faux algebraic rant there fooled everyone. you logic set is faulty. a venn diagram shows logical commonalities and properties within sets as compared and contrasted to eachother.
meaning A + B = AB (ie the set has properties of both when combined) or A + B = n (a new property that occurs from the blending of the sets)
there is absolutely nothing wrong with the writer stating that a movie with a good plot and good acting that lacks known stars would therefore have unpopular stars. it is a logical probability. just because it lacks whatever creativity you were hoping for does not make it an incorrect representation of the venn diagram.
i agree the twilight bashing is lame…but i love fight club, so i gotta smile.
In other words: Fail fail FAIL fail fail Fail FAIL.
Would’ve been better if you listed actual movies where the circles met.
First of all, must I askwhy people praise a movie called Fight club, based on Fight Clubs? Fight Clubs are so disgusting, as is the whole MMA/UFC Craze of modern society. It is sickening, they just try to kill eachother, it’s just wrong.
So if we made a movie based on war, it would be terrible because wars are sickening and wrong?
Watch the movie first before you bash it. It’s not all about fight clubs, there’s much more to it than that.
Someone has never seen Fight Club.
Someone is a lucky bastard!
You havent seen the movie have you?
Its not based on Fight Clubs. Its about a guy with a sleeping disorder, who invents an aloter ego who then convinces him to hit rock bottem.
It was marketed around the idea of “fight clubs” because most people wouldnt watch it if the described it around its actual base. Plus, it was considered “out-there.”
You lose the Internet.
Turn over the computer NOW.
Or I will call Chuck Norris.
Turn it over.
NOW.
Calrelyn,sorry if u thought that was 4 u,it was for Dumb-BunnySauce over up there.
*Yawn*
Oh hey, twilight. Didn’t see you all the way over there.
Heh heh,funny comment.
You win 5 Internets.
Yes, of course. Everybody knows that Fight Club is the only movie ever made to have a good plot, big stars and fantastic acting. Duh! Sheesh, what a total fail this graph is.
Fight Club may have had good acting, “good” plot, and amazing acting, but it was still boring and tedious to watch.
How could something with both good AND amazing acting be boring and tedious to watch?
Just because you don’t get it, doesn’t mean it’s boring.
I understood the movie, and it had good acting, I acknowledge that, but it was BORING. It can have good acting and everything and still be slow. as. hell. Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean you have to comment on it.
Yet you still fail to notice I was pointing out your typo… Job well done Church, job well done.
And if you find films with “good acting and everything else” slow, you’re going to have a hard time finding films that go quickly aren’t you?
Guh, I meant to post under ‘Church’. My bad
Who the hell cares if there aren’t stars in it?
Apparently people who think fight club is the only good movie ever made.
Lots of people care if there are stars in it…. Not saying they’re an intelligent bunch but hey most people don’t really have much going on upstairs. That’s not really the point though. Fight club is just one of few mainstream movies with real value. not saying it’s perfect and whatever but it’s got the right idea. It makes people who don’t normally think a lot think a little bit more. Smart indie movies are just preaching to the choir you know?
Im so sick of seeing polls about how much Twilight sucks we get it you guys hate it but seriously posting a billion polls a day isnt going to change anyones mind whether to hate it or not to hate it seriously grow up
I smell a Twihard~
If you smell Twihard thats means you also must smell some jizzed soaked pants
Normal people hate things that 14 year-old girls scream like mental patients about. That’s life, get over it…or stop liking stupid crap.
ps: Fight Club honestly is a little too self-satisfied as well, just like the book is.
Twilight = nothing good… AT ALL.
except the girl was kinda cute!
Yes, the “girl” is the best part. She’s hot, way hotter than that dandy of a vampire boyfriend lab partner of hers. lol
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS GRAPH. <3
And for all you people who don’t get Fight Club… I seriously pity you for your lack of intelligence.
You do realize that Palahniuk himself has declared that there’s no explicit point to Fight Club, right? It’s a story, plain and simple, meant to entertain, not to make a point. Don’t be an idiot.
But there are people like me, who watch and read it religiously and FIND points in it.
I second that
This graph has Twilight much too close to “great stars”. And for that matter “amazing acting” and “good plot”.
You should not be able to see twilight on this graph
No offence, but Fight club was honestly one of the most boring films I’ve ever seen and I couldn’t even watch it for more than half an hour.
I have to admit though that I did watch Twilight having in mind that it would be bad, boring and not worth watching and it surprised me by having an actual plot with interesting twists in it.
Yes, I know that many dumb people are hardcore Twilight fans (I’ve met some and yes they’re dumb), but don’t hate it because of them.
I am sick of all the haters. Hey I hate stuff too but I don’t write tens of posts about it every day. It’s childish so get over it.
And if you truly want to express your anti-twilight-ness, since it’s a free world and I can understand that different people have different tastes, at least compare it with a GOOD movie. Not this one. Please.
PS: Phillip’s comment is win.
PPS: Why on earth a big quantity of the graphs officially posted are meaningless and rarely make me laugh, while the brilliant ones created by actual people never make it to the front page?
Dude, you can’t critique a movie if you haven’t seen the whole thing.
Eliza u shouldnt even bother replying to someone who thinks Twilight HAS an ACTUAL PLOT!
Good point. Did YOU see twilight?
Of course, both Eliza and TanTun has watched both Twilight films, thereby being able to critique?
O god. Listen, twilight movies inject a hypnotic parisite into your brain that eventually sucks out your inteligence. which is why I wait out side movie theaters that just finished showing twilight with a bebe gun, and open fire on the hapless twi-watchers. of course, I do it from a tree, with an airsoft FA-MAS 6mm -F1
Fight Club: A about a man who was pulled apart by his hidden self hatred for his consumor ways. It is the reflection of the anger at our selves with a dash of wierdness to really mess with the viewers mind, making an experince like no other, directed in a way to use the weeknesses of the actors to make them seam more like actual human flaws.
Twilight: Cliche thrown on fanfiction thrown on bull. Nothing it done hasn’t been done before and better. Actors can’t stray from deep monotones, opera talk, or both. The films stretch much longer then they should without doing anything to interest us. Nothing is notable in anyway about the films except for the fact it is the first female aimed geek fiction, the only reason it is popular.
like facts from a textbook. too bad so many people live in a world where what they don’t like is crap and fail to see this!!
I dont like it because TWILIGHT SUCKS!!!! I GOT BORED DURING THE COMMERCIAL
A.) You’re a girl
B.) Girls do not typically like movies like Fight Club and find them “boring”
C.) Girls DO, however, like teen movies with “super-hottie” (insert-current-’it’-guy’s-name-here) in it that have plots about high school and puppy love and/or convoluted, highly improbable “romance.”
D.) This is why you like Twilight and not Fight Club.
A) You come up with illogical sentences.
B) You’re assuming I’m a girl.
C) You have commented a lot over here.
=> You don’t have a life.
Have a nice day.
Most of this was VERY tl;dr
Bottome line, I still keep a jug of vinager around the house.
For a fun evening sit down and watch Fight Club and Snatch back to back. ^_~
OMG shut up. Fight Club was so DUMBBBBBBBB
I had to look at it a second a time before I saw Twilight stuck in there! This is original!
brb failblogging
Who cares about whether Fight Club was any good, where the hell are all the other great movies in history?!?!
I thought we weren’t supposed to talk about Fight Club
No thats Chuck Norris
that’s the first rule, right?
I don’t know, maybe if at the center it was something significantly more entertaining, like Holy Grail?
YES! Monty Python and the Holy Grail was way better than Fight Club. All I remember from fight club is that you can’t talk about it, and they made soap…
Why should the popularity of the actors have anything to do with how good a film is? If a movie is well acted and well written, your viewing experience won’t be any less enjoyable because you don’t know who the actors are.
Rule #1 Man!
i dont care what anyone else said in comments before me i read the first three then said “no one cares about your opinion” then scrolled down to say one thing…. EFFING SAVED!!!!!1
The center should be “Ocean’s 11″. That is all.
I like how Twilight is off to the side…
BEST MOVIE EVER!
fight club
not twilight.
Honestly I’m of the opinion that it was a hilarious graph. I’m not going to lie, I’ve seen both Fight Club and Twilight, and I prefer Fight Club. For the comments earlier; Phil not to be rude, but you claimed that to “unprovokedly bash Twilight” makes one fail, however later in your argument you randomly (unprovokedly) bashed Fight Club by saying that having aforementioned movie in the center of the graph was “just plain wrong, and shows your taste fails” thus insulting anyone who might have enjoyed the movie. So by your logic doesn’t this mean that you too indeed “fail”?
As for Perthuis8g’s graph, I found nothing wrong with the design, the wording could have been better, and it was very opinionated…but isn’t that the point? Consequently the math used in your argument involving paradoxes is highly irrelevant to the quality of the graph, even written in the worst handwriting a poem can still be beautiful in meaning. That in mind I move to the other side of this debate. Many claim that Fight Club is better than Twilight, but have so alienated themselves from the latter movie that they haven’t even seen it. To hold an ignorant standing such as this, and claim anything superior to what one does not know or has not experienced is absolutely foolish.
In conclusion I’ll leave you all with this: I’m really bored now, and writing a solid concluding paragraph doesn’t seem very appealing right now.
Even though fight club is one of the best movies ever, what makes this graph worth 5 stars is the position of twilight.
Twilight?Who?What?Where?How?When?TWILIGHT!!!
both of these movies are flashes in the pan and to be perfectly goddamned honest i’m sick of both. i have seen fight club too many times to like it anymore (blame a scummy ex boyfriend) and twilight was just…blegh. you all understand. any other two ORIGINAL ideas as movies would have made this graph worth the time i spent reading all the comments. yes we know all you internet types hate twilight and consider fight club to be brilliant. please go watch something a little more meaningful. fight club just made me feel apathetic. not life changing. don’t be like everyone else on “teh internets.” be your own person. i want your own opinions. not the opinions of the entire populace. GOD. i didn’t mean to write so frigging much. rant rant rant rant….
How was Fight Club not original? What movie was the plot ripped off from? Can’t really speak for Twilight, however.
I did not realize people like Pinto and other twilight fangirls were on GraphJam
Yeah! Screw Twillight!
I don’t think you understand how to do these… You wrote bad acting where it was implied. That area implies it is the two areas that are intersecting, but not the third area because it isn’t involved… you just really suck at venn diagrams and should give up immediately.
FAIL
Not to mention, while Twilight isn’t a number of things, it isn’t not popular. It’s a very popular movie. And Twilight bashing is ridiculously old. All it does is make you sound ignorant.
whoever made twilight and/or likes it should be tortured with toothpicks made out of diamonds while drinking acid while chewing on a razorblade. to put it simply. no taste.
hahaha. was gonna say something about noticing the twilight reference at the last minute when i noticed a twilight ad right on the bottom of the screen. who wants to be in twilight!?
whats great about this, you have my favorite film there in the middle, and my most hated film on the outside…. realy made my day, thanks man
hehe, I like how the little twilight bubble is floating all by itself in the corner.
Hater, he/she has probably either only seen the movies,only heard about the sparkling vampire part though it was gay, heard other crap about it, and/or never picked up the book. I just LOVE ignorant people they’re like slinkys their not exactly useful but you get a sense of achievement, and laughter when you push them down stairs.