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AMEN!
Let the incoherent flame war begin!
UR Racist four saying that
Me too!
Why is he/she racist for this?
Kevinde rephrased- “Sorry guys I totally forgot to get the joke at all”
He does understand the joke. But going along with it is for stupid people! Only dead fish go with the flow!
PHOTOSHOPPED!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!111
Wait.. Politics= For/Against Obama alone?
WTF?
The word “Politics” is the title, not one of the objects descrived in the Venn diagram. So, no.
I don’t think the middle circle should even be that big.
Is that center circle ever so slightly leaning toward the Pro-Obama side?
I cry BIASED GRAPH!!!!!
yes honey, thats the point
It’s actually a little too far to the right. There shouldn’t be an overlap between ‘people who argue against Obama’ and ‘people who know what they’re talking about’.
if you really believe that’s the case, then you’re obviously not in the “people who know what they’re talking about” group.
Ha, exactly this graph’s point. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Repeat : “Obama is good, Obama is great, I srrender my will, as of this date”
heehee
It’s log scale, edjit.
Now listen.
this is a story all about how
my life got flippeed, turned upside down…
And I’d like to take a minute, just sit right there….
I’m gonna tell you all about government-run health care.
In Honolulu, Hawaii born and raised
In the Philippines is where i spent most of my days
C-C-C-COMBOBREAKER!!!
C-C-C COMBOREVIVAL!!
N-N-N-nice attempt.
i’ll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air..
Barney, can we talk about this now?
Yay! I’m a tiny little circle!
That’s what everybody in the big circles thinks
agreed. everyone is a self-described expert in politics.
Nope, I am a self-described non-expert in politics who has a Master’s degree in her own political viewpoints, so there.
Im a self described spectator who laughs at people arguing over something that is not relevent/not under their control.
I know what the hell I am talking about when I say that I rarely argue against or in favor of Obama.
Actually, the small circle should be mostly embdedd in the right circle and growing every day. Obama is a nice guy – but he has too little experience for the job title. If this country were a company – he’d be fired before year-end.
I predict that this country’s second black president (whenever that happens) will be elected based on merit of his experience and actual merit of his promises, and will be a good president. Obama will dissapoint because too much was expected of him – and he is just not going to meet all those expectations – no way no how.
Let the flame wars begin…
None of the above, no matter how accurate it may be, excuses the fact that the Republicans fielded McCain and Palin…
Well, you could have voted for Nader.
Just think of the headlines: “Nader shat pants upon learning of victory”
XD
“Wha…? You mean… I finally won…?”
I would laugh if this weren’t so very, very true…
But doesn’t that make it all the funnier?
I think this graph is overly optomistic. One should never underestimate the stupidity of the American public.
It’s “misunderestimate” now.
‘misunderestimate’ thanks to an ignorant texan
You’ve spelt “optimistic” wrong.
You’ve spelled “spelled” wrong.
Ha! Win!
“spelled” is correct in the USA, “Spelt” is correct in Britain and Canada, among others. In fact, I think both are pretty acceptable no matter where you go.
In the rest of the world, “spelt” is a grain.
Great graph,
People hear communism or socialism and they get mad because of the propaganda of WW2.
And most of them don’t even understand the concept to begin with.
Before even starting to judge, read about it.
BTW socialism ain’t perfect but its far from being a stupid concept.
Socialism doesn’t necessarily go in Communism either.
France and Canada actually use some of the socialist system in health care and in their unemployment system.
People worry about socialism before worrying about the economy going to hell and people dying in the street.
Its like worrying about the water getting your clothes wet while your burning in a pyre.
Socialism doesn’t equal poverty, it simply means thats theres something to help the unfortunates to stand up for themself again.
Yes theres people you finds loophole in this system and abuse it, most got caught in less then 2 years.
If your against that system after all this, it simply means that you hate helping others in need.
If you are going to try to sound like an over educated college hippie, at least learn to write some proper paragraphs, learn that sentences end with periods and not commas, and how to differentiate between your and you’re.
Second, name one socialist state that is not poor. Just one. We’ll wait.
Finally, using hyperbole to paint everyone who disagrees with you are “hating helping others in need” makes you no more reasonable than idiots holding signs with pictures of Obama with a Hitler mustache.
How about Sweden. From the wikipedia entry: GDP per hour worked is the world’s 9th highest at 31 USD in 2006, compared to 22 USD in Spain and 35 USD in United States.
Not any more. I changed Wikipedia. USA (except Mississippi) is now #1 in every good category while Mississippi is ranked lowest, as if it is its own country (which I know it is unfortunately not).
Seriously? GDP per capita is a lot less than in the U.S. You can’t seriously think that finding ONE list that puts Sweden above the U.S. makes your point valid, do you? There’s no such thing as a simple answer. And all you’ve proved is that people in the U.S. work a lot more per year than other countries do, which is a well-known fact: Europeans as a general rule do not work as much per week as Americans. But this isn’t necessarily a reflection of how successful we are in terms of GDP.
How many lists did you go through before you finally found one with Sweden above the U.S.? That’s really cute.
Actually, the list didn’t put Sweden above the U.S. It simply states that Sweden is not that poor. 22<31<35 (Am I doing that correctly? I'm trying to say less than, not greater than, and I'm drawing a complete blank on how to accomplish that.)
Uhm… as he said, Canada has some socialist aspects to it, and its economy is doing better than the US economy. Helping the poorer stand up for themselves is good for the economy overall.
Though I agreed with your last point – his point was well made without the “If you are against this…” BS.
DUH some country’s economy is doing better in America right now, we’ve been in a recession, in case you haven’t noticed.
If you knew ANYTHING about economics, you’d know there is this thing called an “Economic Cycle”. It goes like this: recession -> recovery -> growth -> inflation -> recession, etc. It should not be a surprise to anyone that sometimes the American economy is not as strong. In a year (possibly less) we will be back on top.
I’m definitely not one of those people who knows what she’s talking about when it comes to politics, but I do know a thing or two about economics, and here’s a hint: things change quite frequently, so you can’t say, “they’re doing better than us right now”, it only works if you say “for the last 10 years they’ve been doing better than us”. And fyi, they haven’t.
I applaud you, ma’am.
I don’t. Jes could have said all that without the “duh” and the putting down, and would’ve come out much better. As it is, her post looks just like the other flame-inducing ones on here.
Not only has it come across as “flaming”, it’s also wrong in several aspects. Being the largest purchasing market in the world, when the US economy flops, it creates a worldwide recession.
Also, the US economy by GDP is the biggest in the world, and has been for decades. GDP per capita in the US isn’t even top five, and hasn’t been for decades.
While the US has many of the richest people on Earth, it also has some twenty million people living in poverty (depending on how you define “poverty”).
I’m not sure about statistics for economic growth, but I know the USA isn’t near the top for that as well (for ever a decade). Some of the largest sustained growth (by percent) is recorded in China, India, and Botswana, among others. If anybody really needs to see the data, I can do some looking and present actual numbers.
That is awesome insight. Thank you. I think you should definitely present some actual numbers, though, because by even stating that someone might need to see the data, you expect that you’re going to get some backlash (not from me, though).
Who said anything about a “socialist state” anyway.
Assuming you live in the USA, you take advantage of “socialist services” all the time and they serve you just fine.
wow. just wow. It doesn’t matter if the grammar is correct or not. The important thing to get across is the concept. come on now. get with the program.
Welcome… TO THE INTERNET.
Yep. Tired of helping. Tired of government telling me who I should help by picking my pockets.
No incentive to work left…. gonna go sit on my arse and see if someone will help me for once……
*picks up Fountainhead book*
…not that I’m asking for help…..
*head back in book*
Also, Bob, the Canadian government gets to tell people who deserves to live, and who doesn’t. I know someone whose father died because his health just wasn’t a priority in Canada. They have to pick and choose who deserves to live because of what they can afford. Tell me, is that the kind of system you’d like to live in?
Seriously people, if you think France or Canada are soooo much better than the U.S., please. I’ll help you pack.
Meaning no offense, Jes, but a bit more research might be required. Euthenasia is illegal in Canada. That’s quite the opposite of state controlled.
First thing that needs to be pointed out is that there is NO “Canadian” healthcare system. The individual provinces handle their own health systems (and recieve federal funding based on budget projections to supplement the provinces own funding).
To bust another myth, using Ontario as an example, ALL patients requiring care recieve it. The system gets overburdened sometimes, and you have to wait, but you do recieve the care you require. No system is perfect.
The system also will not pay for things like plastic surgery, nor for things such as oral or eye care (which are still very much competitive industries).
Also, regarding the question about which nations are rich and which aren’t… While the USA has the highest overal GDP, the GDP per capita is eclipsed by many “socialist” states (including Sweden, Norway, Canada). A really simple question is overlooked here though: How do you define a socialist state? If you’re talking more market-liberal than the USA, then you’re referring to any state in Europe, Canada, Mexico, and most of the states in South America as well.
Some DATA from UN, for the fiscal year 2007
GDP / Capita (in $US)
Liechtenstein – 118 040
Luxembourg – 108 217
Norway – 82 465
Iceland – 62 033
Denmark – 57 257
Switzerland – 56 579
Sweden – 49 873
UK – 45 549
USA – 45 047
Canada – 43 368
Germany – 40 162
France – 40 090
*For those that don’t know, /capita means per person.
Alex, although I believe you provided Nominal rates, those numbers do not take into account the cost of living in each country, and do not take into account the exchange rate, as GDP by PPP per capita does.
“Great care should be taken when using either set of figures to compare the wealth of two countries. Often people who wish to promote or denigrate a country will use the figure that suits their case best and ignore the other one, which may be substantially different, but a valid comparison of two economies should take both rankings into account, as well as utilizing other economic data to put an economy in context.”
I agree completely in that great care should be taken. It should also be recognised that A: My point was mainly about your accusation that “Canadian” healthcare (which does not exist) has the right to decide to euthanize elderly citizens (which it does not).
Responding to the point you made, when the UN compares economic data they do so on a system in which exchange rates are all related to a standard currency (in this case the US dollar) not through WTO exchange rates, but by referring to the average cost for a benchmark set of goods and products between nations.
Alex, if you were referring to euthanasia as it commonly is- as assisted suicide, I can assure you, that was not the case. But although euthanasia is illegal in Canada, passive euthanasia, meaning withholding treatment, (a.k.a waiting for treatment to be approved) is not unheard of.
I agree that no healthcare system is perfect, but I am sick of people bashing our healthcare system as if we are the only country in the world who doesn’t care about our people, and other countries are perfect. I am simply trying to bring light to the fact that we, like ANY country, have our problems.
If there were a perfect solution to health care that would be in the best interests of everyone, believe me, I would not be opposed at all. But not all systems will work the same in each country. We can’t just adopt the same system as France or Canada and expect the same exact results- there will always be drawbacks, and it’s a question of whether or not the pros outweigh the cons.
You are right, no system is perfect. Nor will there ever be a perfect system.
At no point did I try and say that there is a problem with the American system. I simply raised the point that the myth of government “death panels” in Canada is just that… a myth. Every patient recieves the treatment they need. Not only that, but treatment order is based on urgency, not “first-come first-serve”, so no patient is left to die from an untreated disease or injury that could have been treated. If you go to the hospital with a cold in Canada, you’ll wait for 6 or 7 hours before seeing a doctor, but if you have chest pains you’ll recieve treatment immediately.
The only people who have the power to determine when treatment should cease are the patients themselves, or in cases where the patient is incapable of making that decision, the family.
But, do you believe our system to be better? We already live in a system where someone picks and chooses who gets to live based on whether they can afford it – they’re called health insurance companies and you may pay them to insure you, but once you become a net loss in their eyes, they start looking for a way to cut you loose, because their main priority is not providing health care, but creating profit for themselves. Yes, Canada’s, Germany’s, UK’s, etc. have their own flaws, but everyone does have the ability to get some at least basic level of care without going bankrupt. You are concerned about potential “death panels” for senior citizens, what about all the people who die in our current system because they are not able to get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions, or because once their insurance company realizes they are getting to expensive, the company looks for an out, any out, to be able to unburden themselves from the cost? So I guess the question is one of numbers – will fewer people be made to suffer and die under our current system or under one that has a public option? Note that private options can still exist, as in the case in Germany with health care, or to cite examples in other sectors in the U.S.: mail (post office, UPS, FedEx), transportation (public v. cars), libraries (public v. bookstores) ).
The only difference between communism and socialism, is that communism is supposed to give the people more say in the governments choices. On paper anyway.
Thank you, Bob. Now we all know where you stand in the graph.
The last line was my favorite. It clearly shows the “with us, or against us” mentality that’s very much alive in politics.
Seriously? …You mean Fascism from WWII right? …. and communism from the Cold War?… you aren’t in that center circle buddy.
Where’s the circle for people who look at the graph and see boobies?
FAIL.org.
You’re my favoritest.
Ohhh.
At first I didn’t get it. I forgot that on GraphJam, Venn diagram circle size have to do with quantity.
Clever graph.
Since you have to be so smart, this technically isn’t a Venn diagram, as not all set intersections are represented. This would be more properly described as a Euler diagram.
Sorry, I don’t know a lot about graphs. Thank you, though.
Yet, you seem to criticize how they are made.
Um…I do?
Oh, you mean that thing about circle size? No, no, I wasn’t critisizing it. Criticizing would be disliking the fact that circle size matters here. I don’t mind that fact.
Scratch that. Not “disliking,” but “disliking and complaining” would be right.
As a general rule, when you’re smartass, and someone calls you on it, don’t try to pretend you weren’t being a smartass.
You forgot about the circle which has the people who just post political crap on the net for laughs.
This graf is phull of Truthiness
“Why isn’t the blue circle in the red circle” is the most important question?
And so Obama is just this neutral politician that we shouldn’t care about?
In soviet Russia, red circles you.
Wait. there are people that argue for Obama? i thought there were people who argued against Obama and People who Bush Bashed (not that he doesn’t deserve it). I have yet to hear anyone acutally make a positive arguement for Obama.
I haven’t really heard it, either.
At least, not without Bush/Republican/Conservative-bashing. Then again, that’s why we have the giant circles.
People for and against Obama is at http://www.gocomics.com in the Editorial cartoons. See you there !
someone posted your link there, at gocomics, that’s how I found this site.
The blue circle should be fairly large, but outside the two others only overlapping them slightly.
but moar to the left amiritelolz?
this is why i don´t tend to argue either way unless it´s really really obvious, because i´m no expert in politics. i really wish the rest of the country would stop pretending they are so informed when they are no better off than i am. at least i admit i´m clueless.
Kelly, you sound like an honest person, BUT ! Everyone you like or love is counting on you to find out who’s telling the truth, and who’s lying to you. The one side want whats best for themselves and their money. They dont want rules or regulations, they want to pollute and poison the world and not be responsible for it. They want to charge you as much as they can, even for stuff that will kill ya. The other side wants whats good for all of us and the planet, and yes it may cost a little more, but not as much as your going to pay later, Aren’t you, your family and friends worth it ? You should really find out, listen to all sides, but be careful and check it all out. Were counting on YOU, Cause we need Honesty People on our side. REALLY !
I love how people who are conservative, right wing, or whatever, while Bush was president, would say “if you don’t like our country, then leave”. Now; however, they still think they can say it when they are no longer in power. The liberals are in control now, so if you don’t like their decisions and opinions, then leave. That is how it works.
You forgot (supporters of bush) circle far away from everything else.
Venn FAIL
This graph is a fail: I think most people who know what they are talking about agree and disagree with Obama on different things, or are smart enough not to go in all this Obama/anti-Obama mess.
I enlarged the tiny circle to 400%, and it is definitely 2/3 in the FOR Obama Circle, So I Guess I agree 2/3 with the graph.
I tend to agree with this sentiment.
I love how people try to make some argument, but are immediately called an idiot, and told they know nothing by someone with the opposite opinion. If this graph was made by humans, then the middle circle should be practically non-existent; since information available to the public has already been so convoluted by bias everywhere that it is impossible to know what is fact versus opinion.
Oh well, So what’da you know ? Nothing ! You can’t tell right from wrong ! So I’ll tell ya, We’re Right, and those Stupid Numb Skulls are WRONG !
I know what Im talking about….but I also know to argue against this damn president
There are about three posts on here that pass as respectable meditations on this joke.
The rest were probably written by student’s from substandard university’s who forgot to use both hands while typing.
Like the substandard university you attended?
No apostrophes! Please!
And…standard universities teach you using apostrophe s at the end of words is suitable replacement for their plural forms?
Why, thank you. Your post completely confirmed everything I said two days ago!
We call these people Libertarians.