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The “actually gay” bar should be much higher. Oh, and uh… FIRST!!
This graph is stupid. Just like religion.
Touché
exactly
Tolerance fail.
Have we just proved this graph correct?
I think that was the point. Hence, the “Touche” remark from lilpoppa.
I think you misunderstand the meaning of Touche
Yeah – this graph is no where near stupid as most religions
Or the fact that Christians tend to say ‘religion’ as if they were the only religion that exists.;)
That would be because “religion” is the gramatically correct term, regardless of whether plural or singular tense is being used.
The original poster of the graph obviously intended to suggest that gay people, gay activists, and atheists can generally be counted on to attack religion.
I’d argue that gay people attacking religion do so because the religion already excludes them and works against them in the government. So it’s much like someone stabbing you, then you complaining that they aren’t very nice and had no reason to do it.
Furthermore, the OP should really have been more specific about which religion. Not all religions are anti-gay. Don’t let Christianity be a default, because it isn’t.
Finally I’m irritated at the “poor-me, I’m being persecuted” reaction by Christians. Sure once in a while Christianity was attacked, a long time ago, but these days it’s Christians doing all the persecuting. But every Christian I’ve debated with has, after much losing of ground and chin-trembling, retreated to a happy place of resolute defensiveness, pious timidity, and self-loathing.
That is, those who refused to talk with me at all after realizing I was good at rational though. Or those who absolutely fail at rational thought. I don’t count those as actual debates. Just a retreat behind the walls of the Fortress of Ignorance.
typical better than you attitude at work.
so are you saying that all Christians are wimpy, or are you simply trying to say that to cover your insecurities about what will really happen to you once you die?
Why should one tolerate bronze mythology?
If the graph is stupid, and you just wasted time commenting on it, then what does that say about you?
But if you think that commenting on stupid things makes you stupid, then that means that you think you’re stupid (because you commented on someone who commented on something which is stupid).
I don’t think that responding to something stupid is stupid, but I do think that doing something you think is stupid is stupid.
So, what does that make you?
my momma always said stupid is stupid does
i like waffles
OMG me too!
that’s you’re religious
Yeah well, religion isn’t the same thing as Christianity, and you’d have to know what I’m talking about to understand.
So, YOUR FACE!!!!!!!
Yes, yes it is actually. It’s a group of people believing in an improbable mythology, which is what deity driven religions are.
Well said Squid.
(Adds another tally) #12.
My hero
I haven’t seen anybody abusing religion the internet…
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/index;_ylt=AlWmr95K972UfHU5YAuXSxfsDH1G;_ylv=3?link=list&sid=396545163
you cant escape it..
isn’t it funny how the top poster in the religion section of yahoo answers is atheist?
No funnier than the top poster in a hypothetical ‘flat-earth section’ being someone who was pretty sure that it’s a globe.
Well you should read the comments on Graph Jam more often!
Its a victimless crime.
if you haven’t seen anyone abuse religion on the internet you must have either a really high “safe mode” on, can’t read, or didn’t notice the first several comments on this page.
Isn’t it atheist instead of athiest?
yeah, it truely is.
It’s also truly instead of truely.
and this Atheist truly makes fun of religion 99% of the time. The one percent of non-mockery is reserved for my mom-in-law & my step mom.
My Hero!
true!
I think I like you, Squid!
I don’t beleive so.
But do you believe so?
this is just full of win.
It’s full of crap is what it is duh
You believe wrong
What? I never insulted religion.
Well. Okay, maybe just a little.
But this graph is stupid anyway… -.-
Agreed this is a truly stupid graph, sounds like someone has a persecution complex.
Yeah, that was my thought at first glance. The author of this graph seems to think that gay people are either more naturally inclined to mock religion but choosing not to or ought to mock religion.
Either way it’s a little sad how so much paranoia turns into so little entertainment.
You need to websurf more if you think this is stupid. Dlisted alone proves it’s right…
It also forgot a category. At 100% it should be “Pinko Commie Liberal.” That’s probably overkill. Liberal would do just fine.
Thank you, Miss Coulter.
Josh is right!
LEAVE JOSH ALONE!!!!
But I was just going to pee on him.
Josh is right!
If we don’t destroy the commie anti-liberty freedom-hating liberals then the freedomez will be destroyed by teh communismz!!!!111!!!eleven!!!!!!
Why can’t you see that liberty is dying?! The very fact that women are walking up the marital altar as NON VIRGINS is symbloc of the fact that liberty can not survive in this evil liberal world where people can act as they please!!!!
FEREEDOM LIBERAL COMMUNsiM REAGANLIBERAL ANTI FEREEDMO LIBERAL FREeDOMFREEDOMFREEDOMFREEDOMFREEDOMFREEDOMFWERFeF ESFLESBYF NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!!!!
Also forgot to include an option of “Belongs to some ‘non-denomination christian’ group where all 15 members are the only 15 people going to heaven because Uncle Dad is the actual Messiah and no one believes them”
Whoa, don’t talk about Catholics like that…
Yes Josh, because Catholics are a small cult with very few followers *facepalm*. Each religion that believes in an invisible super being/beings is just as warped as the next and no one faith can make fun of another for their silly beliefs without being hypocritical. Of course 99% of believers are hypocrites with no sense of irony so I may as well be typing to a very stupid rock.
did fred phelps die yet?
So you admit that 1% is the genuine thing. Hmmm, even the Bible says it will be a very few.
What I’m admitting is that 1% of xtians have a sense of irony and humor and aren’t hypocritical, I’m admitting nothing about validating their belief system.
Excellent.
Spoken like a true atheist, rabid antitheistic sentiment and all.
How do you keep your head jammed so far up your rectum without suffocating to death?
Please enlighten me, someone who calls themself “Redneck_Rebel” must truly be one of the chosen few full of tolerance and xtian love for all people of the world. Give me the piece of the puzzle that I am lacking, that shows me what I have been missing that proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that your god is the one true god and he shall smite me if I don’t kiss his magical all powerfull ass. The gods that man has written books about do not exsist. Please no empty threats about “Oh you’ll see, or using the Bible as your proof. Men and governments and institutions i.e. churches made by men are all corruptable by power, and they change things as they see fit including religious texts. So once again I beg you to please help me pull my head out with solid, concrete, irrefutable proof that your god is the one. If you can’t do that than all I can say is enjoy your next cross burning and go away.
That’s an awful lot of big words.
Squid I believe God is working His mystery even through you and your denial. It’s ok. Jesus says that blessed are those that believe and have not seen. That tells me there will never be proof, never be a perfect reasoned argument. What’s harder to believe: The Big Bang simply happened on its own for no reason or there was an intelligent force (I’ll call that force, God) behind it all? It’s ok to ask for proof of God but be ready for the answer; You may get more than you bargained for!
I am open minded enough to aknowledge I don’t know how it all began, I also know that we have developed methods that accurately show that the world is far older than the short exsistance of man. god/gods were created by men to help explain why things were the way they were and to control people. As far as the proof of god being more than I bargained for, that is exactly what I want, overwhelming, incredible, proof that lets me know I have met the creator. What I don’t need is a bunch of cryptic mysticism about “you’ll know when you die”. If a stranger told you he has a billion dollars for you if you do everything they say for 20 years, and he never shows you the money and he only talks to you through other strangers what would you think? Yet everyday people are doing just that, working towards an imaginary reward they have never seen from a thing they have never met.
science has become warped to the point of being unbelievable. it is now just a tool being used to promote liberal and government propaganda
And a ruddy ol’ book portraying the beliefs of the cult of the Israeli warrior god Yahweh IS believable? Are you sure of this, it has dragons and unicorns.
Science is the same thing it has always been since there was first a word for it. Science is the pursuit of truth, natural laws, and answers.
What you fail to understand is something called objectivity. Science is an objective process that separates the scientist, to the fullest extent possible, from his experiment to preserve the accuracy of the experiment. Science doesn’t care about “liberal and government propaganda.”
Science strives to be unbiased, and uninfluenced by everything but the data and experiment. This is the pride of science, the pedigree of science, and the appeal of science.
Saying “science is now just a tool being used to promote liberal and government propaganda” is biased subjective propaganda influenced strongly by your own beliefs.
You’re obviously not into science, and that’s fine. But to save yourself from embarrassment you should probably avoid talking about until you know what it is.
Science doesn’t care one way or the other if there is an all powerful being, all science is doing is trying to understand how the world works, without man’s curiosity and ability to reason, we would still be living in caves. The fact that modern science and scietific method have shown the world to be far older and more incredible than anything written in 2000 books is just a by-product.
2000 year old books that is, typing and talking fail
Yeah Squid, kick some ass.
even Charles Darwin himself recanted his theory of evolution. but scientists and other intellectuals siezed upon it as an alternative to the idea of intelligent creation because of their desire to believe there is no God
No. Just. No.
That’s called propaganda. A smear campaign. Mudslinging. Fallacy. Or most simply, a lie.
And disbelief in God is the driving motivation for fewer than zero things every day worldwide.
Please euthanize yourself, or be less stupid. Your choice.
No, he did not.
It makes me sad when people believe that.
And the “deathbed conversion” makes firearm barrels seem oddly palatable.
That’s a lie. I’m not saying you’re a liar, but whoever told you that felt they had to resort to a lie to prove their point because they couldn’t do it by using the truth. And I find that a very interesting point.
Nine years ago, my wife went camping with my two kids, aged 10 and 12.
Sometime in the night, there was a loud crash. My ten year old opened his eyes just in time to see his mother die two inches from his face, blood streaming from her eyes and mouth, with a tree trunk on her head.
Explain how a just a loving God would allow this particular thing to happen to a ten year old child.
I hope that there is no “God”, because if he exists, he is a sadistic bastard who has invented a world so that he can toy with it for his amusement.
Or it’s called, I don’t know, a freak accident? Just throwing that out there…
If “God” is omnipotent and omniscient, then he knew that accident was going to happen and he did nothing to stop it. If he did not know the accident was going to happen or could not stop it, then he is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. If he knew it was going to happen but did not want to stop it, he’s a sadistic bastard.
I have to agree with the original poster. I think I will go with the “God is a fairy tale” option, personally.
How about the fact that the Bible is the most widely published and read book in existence, that should say something. maybe you should try reading it sometime with an open mind instead of criticizing something you dont truly understand because of preconcieved notions created by people who are uncomfortable with or even afraid of what the Bible has to say.there are a lot of modern translations out there that are easy to understand.the Bible is about Gods love for us and what he expects of us, and if we take it to heart we will live happy and productive lives. Christians are simply people who believe that God sent His Son to die for us as the final sacrifice for our sins and all we have to do to be saved is accept that fact and live by His Word.its not about this religion or that belief but a simple faith in God and the Bible and our own personal relationship with Him.
Have YOU ever read the Bible with an open mind?
Properly read the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
I can’t make it one page without finding something morally abhorrent, contradictions, barbarism, or a car chase.
Then you REALLY need to read the Bible closely and in context. For one thing, the only things morally abhorrent are things used as examples of sin, not doctrine to follow. Any and all contradictions can be rectified if you read the whole passage in context. Barbarism, sometimes, yes, but again only as an example of the fallenness of man. Not really sure what you mean by a car chase…
That’s because you don’t have a sense of humour. Everyone knows the Bible doesn’t have contradictions, barbarism or anything morally abhorrent! Geez!!
A Million Little Pieces was a best seller for a while too doesn’t make James Frey any less of a liar.
And there are actually more copies of the Quotations from Chairman Mao in existence than copies of the bible.
I guess that proves communism is the way to go?
Also more IKEA catalogues are produced than bibles per year
Does this mean that we must all buy our furniture from IKEA and IKEA alone?
How many people does it require to justify a horrible act?
Does more people doing something somehow make it morally superior?
Does this mean gang rape is less of a crime than regular rape?
More people believing something is not related to truth at all, more people reading something does not necessarily confer more belief, more people buying something does not necessarily mean they’re reading it.
To me, it says that humans are incredibly gullible. Many people want to believe that there’s somebody who will love them no matter what they do and that they have some purpose in life, even if they don’t understand it, and so they believe the most convincing fairly tale that they hear.
no one is perfect but we can become better people through Christ
You sure? Because you’re a bit of a douchebag.
I guess that means he was even more of a douche before Christ.
A frightening thought.
Agreed, no one is perfect. But we can become better people without Christ.
You’re a very stupid rock to actually believe that crap squid. And I don’t agree with Catholics but they’re not a cult. They’re a religion, which is also something I don’t believe in. I’m a Christian but religion is sitting in church pretending to be asleep then going home and getting nothing out of it but a numb rear end.
Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Sounds like the #2 definition of religion sums up your brand of religion.
you, and I’m sure a group people similar to yourself, worship an invisable, intangible, supposedly omnipotent creature, even though you probably call it a “relationship” it’s still religion.
Squid,
You need to learn how to spell before commenting on the intelligence of others.
spelling skills != intelligence
believing in a mystic bunny rabbit in the sky because some guy thousands of years ago wrote it down in a book = stupid.
You are correct, Catholisism is one of the biggest groups out there, but sorry Reese you can call your “relationship” with Jesus a “relationship” but you still subscribe to a preconcieved set af ideas that a large group of people also believe, whether or not it’s personal it’s still a religion.
Also is it really too much to ask an omnipotent being to just do a pop in? I mean if he’s already everywhere I’m not really out of the way am I? I’d settle for turning my cup of coffee into an even bigger cup of coffee for proof of his divinity. If my soul is really that important, and Jesus, Allah, Shiva, etc… really love me is asking for solid, concrete proof really to much trouble? I don’t put up with prick tease girl friends and I don’t put up with prick tease deities either who promise everything but never show me the goods.
if you start believing in Him He will show you. God is not into parlor tricks and if He does do something it is for good reason. we cannot possibly understand the wisdom of a Being so much greater than ourselves. we were created by God for His pleasure.
So only people who believe he can do parlor tricks get to see them? That’s like a Magician who only works with children.
It’s also a weak arguing method called “Non-falsifiability,” something your religion in particular is inundated with. In this case, you make the claim that your god can do magic, and when verification is sought, his posse will inform you that he has stage fright and won’t do his tricks for anyone who needs to see them to be convinced.
Also I find it rather disturbing you happily admit being the plaything of a god. That’s more than a little gross.
No, he said that He doesn’t do parlor tricks period. He only does anything if it is according to His will, not when we want Him to.
actually christianity is the biggest group out there.catholicism is a religion of works. the Bible says that not by works but faith we are saved. thats not to say that catholics are going to hell,it all really comes down to our own personal relationship with God
Islam is the biggest group out there.
Catholics = christians
babtists = christians
lutherans = christians
episcipalions = christians
born again holy rollers = christians
and the list goes on, and they all think the other is going to burn in hell because they aren’t the right brand…hmm kinda like the sunnies and the sheites (spelling?)
(By claiming Catholicism was a cult with very few followers, Squid was making a sarcastic remark in response to Josh’s attempt to make an uninformed joke with Catholics as the blunt. He was using said sarcasm to cleverly illustrate the flaw in Josh’s joke. If you want to point out how Catholicism is a religion rather than a cult, you should tell Josh)
I don’t see where being gay links in with insulting religion. usually it’s religion insulting gays.
although you are definitely more likely to insult religion if you are atheist (DUH!), this graph is a fail.
This graph should go on failblog.
Hell Yeah Pyro! thank you! Total Graph Fail
No, by simply existing homosexuals are offending others religous views.
duuuuh
Um…what about Bash Back, the militant pro-gay group that crashed a church service by sending gay and lesbian couples throughout the sanctuary, passing out flyers and shouting “Jesus was a homo”? And when Prop 8 was upheld in California, a friend who was down there said he thought about taking the fish off his car because he was afraid protesters would tear it apart. Not all homosexuals are the helpless, peaceful victims the media likes to portray them as.
Taking the fish of the car? He could have one of my old Darwin-amphibians since some religulous assholes keep breaking off the legs and the lettering….
Seriously? Wow….they’re jerks. I may not be an atheist, but I do respect their right to their opinions.
That happened to my entire college’s parking lot once.
Being an institute of higher learning, there were quite a few Darwin-fish. I honestly can’t tell what the perpetrators hoped to accomplish other than represent their own peers as overly sensitive conniving asshats.
Well, if you read the Bible, it does say “Peter, whom Jesus loved” – of course most preachers you ask about that verse would say that they loved like brothers. Of course, it also depends on how “close” your family is, as to what THAT means, too.
Oh blow it all, I just finished a book that went very PAINFULLY much into what ‘brother’ ‘friend’ and ‘loved’ in many an ancient text actually meant. It also mentioned that this should not sound strange at all, considering how we tend to use the word ‘daddy’ sometimes these days. Slang – it’s always been there.
Wait till you get to David and Saul.
Loved like brothers my ass!
You mean David and Jonathan. Sheesh, actually read it before you rant about it.
It’s John, not Peter. Greek has different words to express different kinds of love, among them philos, agape, and eros. Eros would be sexual love, but that word is not used for the love Jesus had for his disciples.
But did anyone actually damage his car? Or was he just being paranoid?
And, by the by, if you’d been married for a year, then told suddenly that you were no longer legally married, would you just sit back and take it? Or would you want to do something about it?
And WOAH! Scary gays handing out flyers!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!
but the flyers…. they might give me a paper cut!!!! *runs away*
Don’t ya’ll know that since them thar flyers was dun handed out by the gays that you can get the aids ifin you touch one.
believing that homosexuality is an abomination is not an insult, it is a belief.
I believe you’re an abomination. Y’feel insulted?
but treating people lile they were an abomination is an insult. believe what you want, but keep it out of the public eye if you don’t want to be called out for it.
Believing people who rely on a 2000 year old piece of literature (which must be ‘taken in context’ because stuff like slavery of ‘heathens’ and women and children is against the law these days, but the homos, well thats God’s word!) to tell them how to live their lives because they’re too stupid or weak to think for themselves is also not an insult. It is definitely a belief. :]
and i don’t see that there is anything wrong with insulting christian nutjobs who come round to my house telling me to repent or go to hell. it’s what lawn sprinklers were invented for.
Insulting anyone is just wrong in general. Just because someone doesn’t have the same ideas and view points as you doesn’t mean anyone deserves it.
Warm Fuzzies to you … but then what fun would politics be without the thinly/not so thinly veiled insults, innuendo, and mud slinging? Sure shit would actually get accomplished and Johhny/Jane Puchclock would actually be able to get the truth on candidates, but it wouldn’t make for good ratings for all those pundit shows and Yog-Sothoth knows poor ol’ Rupert Murdock needs more money to buy more peoples opinions to hurl more insults.
If someone is banging on your door yet again selling religion you do not want, it is not an insult to turn on the sprinkler. It is fair comment.
Most people who are “selling” religion are trying to do what they think is right, and a simple “no thank you” should remove them from your property. If it doesn’t, then a sprinkler is definitely in order.
I offer them a copy of my Tao Te Ching. And a glass of water, just to be hospitable, which is a totally non-denominational virtue. Zeus was totally up with hospitality.
Maybe a “no thank you” would work, but the sprinkler is more deserved, and the dogs more so.
but if we turned the sprinkler on a homosexual it would be a hate crime
You know from experience I trust?
Homosexuals don’t go banging on your door on weekends, jam their foot in the door, and ask to come in and not leave until you’ve become one of them.
If they did, sprinklers.
It’s not the message we’re acting out against, it’s the proselytism.
If someone walks up to you or comes to your house and tells you you’re going to hell, that’s not just a “different viewpoint”, it’s insulting and vicious. It’s also arrogant; only God knows where He’s going to send people, for any human to tell someone their fate is trying to play God.
This is also true. And sad, how much hubris there is in the world.
That assumes there IS a god who feels she must play “Afterlife Tour Guide”. But you are right, when someone who is religious insists on “sharing” their viewpoint, and proceeds to tell me why everything I do is evil, that is not something I feel the need to respect.
Tolerance? On *my* internet?
Banish the communist!
Meh, people have the right to their opinions, as long as I have the right to laugh at them for them. Freedom of speech, it works both ways.
If you can’t take some mockery you’re not entitled to have an opinion. Chances are your opinion is stupid anyway, if it made sense you wouldn’t care about mockery. Even if it does make sense, your conviction clearly isn’t worth crap.
I can insult whoever I like! But I don’t force them to listen…
I don’t get the y axis. What kind of progression is this? What does being gay have to do with insulting religion? This graph is GAY and that is 100% of unknown y value. Judaism sux.
Yeah, I’m trying to understand the gay/insulting religion correlation, too… I bet somejsmith’s head would explode if you told him/her that there are actually [gasp] gay people who ae also Christians.
any gay person who is christian is an idiot. period.
*Disclaimer- I am not arguing FOR religion…. just against your blanket statement*
Jesus said “Love your neighbor”. That was what he was all about. The HEART of Christianity is not a bad sentiment…. it is all the other nonsense that is layered over it that is the problem. As such, ANYONE who is a Christian is not simply because of that an idiot. They may be an idiot in addition to being a Christian, but not as a result of being a Christian.
You probably mean to argue that Christianity is anti-homosexual, and as such, it makes no sense for a gay person to embrace Christianity. This is not true. There are many sects of Christianity that accept homosexuality, so no such dichotomy exists.
You’re right, if you remove the word “gay”.
Well, all atheists are atheist, and thus have somewhat similar views of religion, whereas being gay doesn’t dictate ones views on God, so they are less likely to insult as a block.
I think that’s what the graph is getting at. It’s still got massive persecution issues going, while expressing a ‘white, straight liberal folk screech more than the people they claim to stand beside’ sentiment.
But the internet part is true. The internet part is always true. And you are ridiculously straight, given that straight means wrong, bad, and stupid.
Okay – so I get the progression problem, and I get the “100% of unknown value” problem, but I’m pretty sure the graph (being an inanimate object with no free will of its own) probably doesn’t have a sexuality at all, and what the hell was the “Judaism sx” about at the end?
Terrible graph is terrible.
Redundant comment is redundant.
recursion is recursive
Tautologous statement is tautologous.
Y’know, not every religion is anti-gay in its belief. This graph seems based on the idea that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all that’s out there…not that all of those folks are homophobic anyway.
The first two categories don’t seem naturally associated with the last two.
You know those 3 major monotheistic religions don’t give a hoot about any of the others, right?
And yet, they all supposedly worship the same G_d. Go figure.
Just out of curiosity, why don’t you simply type out God?
Jews can’t.
They get stoned for saying Jehovah?
Haven’t you seen Life of Brian? LOL
It helps being stoned to believe a literal interpretation of “the good book”
Well, this certainly explains everything.
How’s that drug bust and resultant parole treatin’ ya, sporto? Stuck in the retail industry?
Yes they do. Right in the commandments. Many muslims think Jews and Christians are infidels for instance.
The actually funny thing is, atheists are least likely to insult a religion…members of any religion are far more likely to insult somebody about religion.
Kind of half true. Almost every atheist I’ve met have insult me or my beliefs in the sec I’ve told them I’m religious or maybe it’s just my bad luck. In my view I see both sides equally as bad.
Watch out particularly for gaytheists.
Did you try to convert them? I know the second it’s known I’m an atheist (I don’t advertise in public unless asked) the whole xtian conversion mode turns on. Usually it ends with me knowing more about their faith than they do, and they fall back on the “what if you’re wrong” defense. Of course when you pose the question back to them, it’s like you just told them to go sodomize their mother, because “how dare you” question their belief in the one true dog blah blah blah… Atheists are insulted, villified, and pretty much considered worse than satanists by the right, and that’s how we are sold to the public by the talking heads on T.V. Imagine one of the two major parties ran an admitted atheist for President of the U.S., think of what the reaction would be. After you ponder that for a while, tell me again who is persecuting who.
I’m still wondering that atheism is still legal in the USA….
And wether anybody ever tried to sue the “in god we trust” off the Dollar or the “under god” out of the pledge of allegiance.
The “Under God” wasn’t added until the 1950’s, I’m sure anybody who said we didn’t need to add that phrase was called a goddless, pinko commie sodomite. Only goes to show that One nation, indivisible can only be divided “under god”
You’re my new hero.
Of course they would have been a pinko commie. The *under god* was added during the McCarthy years when EVERYONE was suspected of being communist.
+2000 points.
The United States used to have differing opinions on a healthy level. Now, it is divided where it shouldn’t ever have been divided.
I’m really starting to like you Squid
No I do not. I never do. I only state what I believe in when I am asked and only then. I don’t advertise either. So please don’t just assume that. I keep my beliefs to myself. Instead its the atheist who either try to convert me to atheism or try to prove to me that I’m crazy. That’s no better than preachy christians. Talk about irony.
Didn’t you pay attention to my comment? I said EQUALLY as bad. Never said one was being persecuted more than the other because you’d have to be in someone else’s shoes to know who it’s like. You see we get it too. Don’t be swayed by the way the TV tells you what a christian is. You know the media only shows the bad side of everything. I understand you too get BS from people I get it but to say religious people aren’t getting it too is just silly. I don’t shove my beliefs or even talk about them. I don’t shun people or tell they’re going to hell if they don’t convert. I use to get bullied in school just for having a biblical name! It’s unfair that Christianity is the one that is getting insulted the most out of all the other religions just for being the most popular. What about Islam? Buddhism? Hinduism? People in Hindu and Islamic culture set up arranged marriages for 30 year old men and 14 year old women. Hinduism also has what’s called Bride Burning, which is to say, you ask the bride’s family for a higher second dowry, and if they don’t pay, you burn the woman and reap the life insurance and get a new wife. Usually the mother of the groom does this.
I have never in my life trie to convert anybody to atheism. No Atheist or agnostic I have met has tried to convert a person to atheism.
I have also never been approached by any one concerning the other religions you have mentioned, and there is no one I see in this comment section other than xtians, atheists/agnostics, and trolls so I can only reply to them. Rest assured I think all deity driven religions that ask you to blindly obey the will of your god/gods are wrong and archaic in their teachings. All religions have good & bad rules and regulations for their followers to obey. The thing is, if you got rid of those rules and regulations, in order for a society to run smoothly a lot of the good rules would fall into place automatically and the bad ones about burning and stoning and killing and repressing might just go away. I turned in my bible and blind obedience over 20 years ago and now for inspiration I read The Preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America, and The declaration of Independance which gives me the freedom to question authority and to fight against or to support tangeble ideas, people, and things.
Well Squid, it doesn’t surprise me you’ve never tried to convert anyone, because as and atheist, it really doesn’t matter in the end to you whether or not the next guy is atheist, xtian, or anything else. In an atheists mind, after death comes extinction and the end of all consciousness. Therefore, an atheist could care less whether John Doe believes in a God. As a Christian, who believes in heaven and hell, it is only right to try and notify a person of that risk.
Let me put it to you this way. There’s only two options: either there is an afterlife, or there isn’t. If there isn’t, which atheists would assume, then nothing matters. If there is, then nothing ELSE matters. Now, if you believe there is something after death, and you’re wrong, then you’re fine. If you believe there is NOTHING after death, and you’re wrong, then you’re in a heap of trouble. Is there anything illogical about taking a precaution against that risk?
Which religion is right? What if you’re wrong and Islam is the true religion? According to a lot of the dogma out there you can’t even hegde your bets and follow every faith. You have to pick one and cross your fingers and hope it’s the right “one”. By picking one faith you are choosing to disbelieve all the others (and there are plenty out there) and damning them all to Hell or maybe even yourself if you chose poorly. And for the record what matters when I die is how I live in peoples memories and how I’m sent to my final rest, I want to be fed back to the earth so that my body can give back some of the energy that I took. I believe that embalming and preserving the body makes no sense and it just adds to the pollution of the Earth.
It’s completely illogical. Following a religion that dictates your entire life simply because of the “just in case” factor is insulting to your “god” (if said god so exists). It’s also a waste of time. Isn’t part of the religion thing believing wholeheartedly that X god is the only path to salvation, and if you do TRULY believe, then Y thing will happen when you die (heaven, whatever). Believing “just in case” is not truly believing. Therefore, only believing in whatever religion you choose to follow just because it might be true is a waste of precious life, because damnit god knows everything, including whether or not you were just covering your ass JUST IN CASE heaven was real.
Add to your list:
-Religious person insulting atheist for having “no feelings”
-Religious person insulting agnostic for being “undetermined”
-Atheist insulting agnostic for “beeing anundetermined pussy”
-Agnostic saying “Whatever you want to believe”, countered by atheist by telling he doesn’t believe anything, resulting in an hour-lasting debate whether beliving of non-existence is a form of believing
Religious person insulting me because I believe in Santa
You can’T believe in Santa. His existence is a fact and isn’t a matter of believe or not, just as you can’t ignore the existence of the ground you’re standing on.
you do know atheist and agnostic aren’t exclusive right? i’m an agnostic atheist o.o;
The general common defintions for those words kind of are exclusive. Agnostic usually refers to someone who is undecided about religion, or who chooses to neither believe nor disbelieve in god. An atheist is usually defined as someone who fairly strongly believes there is no god.
well no, agnostic means you know if there is a god. because nostic deals with knowledge. atheist means you believe there is no god. because theist deals with belief. so i’m agnostic atheist because i don’t believe in god but i really don’t know, and i’ll argue that no one can really know for sure.
Maybe atheists are least likely to insult a given religion specifically… but they’re the first to speak up in scorn whenever someone so much as mentions God.
However they’re not the ones shouting God at every street corner at the top of their lungs.
In internet terminology, it goes something like this: “second!”
The way atheists are vilified is f*cking ridiculous, and there is no excuse for it.
But those I know that go as far as giving themselves a label, who call themselves atheists, do insult religion a lot.
It’s a sticks and stones thing. Atheists throw words, and get back sticks and stones. At least as far as I’ve known of directly.
I think I can understand where the hatred of atheists come from. When atheists assert that they believe god doesn’t exist (which they can do simply by stating that they are atheists, disbelief in god being the definition of atheism), atheists inadvertently tell a religious person that they think a big part of their whole life and belief system is wrong. I think I can understand how that would be very hurtful, even though it’s totally accidental.
I think of it like this: If there was suddenly absolute proof that no god or gods existed, every religious person on Earth would be devastated and horrified. But conversely, if god himself appeared and said “hey, guess what? I exist!” Most atheists wouldn’t be devastated, I don’t think (though a few would probably be a bit embarrassed).
Weirdly, I think that comment may have given the impression that I’m religious. I’m not, I’m an atheist. But I do think it’s a dick move to try to convince someone their religion is wrong, and in fact I think it is a much nastier thing to do than a religious person trying to convert an atheist, even though both groups usually attempt their conversions with the best of intentions
*claps*
Well said.
Finally an atheist understands what it’s like. You’ve gained my respect.
actually the conversation is usually like this; “OMG YOU’RE AN ATHEIST?!” followed by how much god loves me and aren’t I afraid of going to hell. To which I reply “I don’t believe in it so, no I’m not afraid of going to hell, so any way it sure is hot/cold today”. Then the bible comes out and and people tell me they will pray for me, I tell them thank you and say “Hey the Cubbies are doing good/bad this season”. Xtians are always asking for people to respect their beliefs, yet when it come to my non-belief it’s open season on the heretic.
I admit that the anonymity provided by the internet can increase the perceived level of insults of religion, but 100% of the people on the internet don’t bash religion.
It’s not 100% only about 97%
Least, going by the graph it is
Also, making fun of religion is extremly easy, since most (if not all) religions show many points of attack and (not that I want to insult anybody) there are many simple peole in the web who just aren’t smart enough to attack harder targets which would need much higher rhetoric skills.
So, basically people attack religion because they aren’t articulate enough to say that, for instance, the Republican party hates poor people because they support free-market capitalism and de-regulation, which hurts the poor, making them even poorer, while allowing multi-millionaires to make even more money, so they can find new ways to fuck people out of their paychecks, right?
They don’t hate poor people, they view them as a valuable resource, like oil or coal. They don’t care enough about them to actually hate them.
%100 percent of the internet is bashing someone at all times, including atheists.
Okay, maybe there are one or two consistently polite people out there. They get drowned out though.
For the interweb, Billy Joel was right: We didn’t start the fire!
The flame war is as old as the web (or even the human language).
I know many gay/les/bi who go to church. Gays don’t have anything against religion, it generally the other way around. If they do it’s against the people preaching.
The tallest bar in that graph should be “Those who claim to be good (insert religion here).” Their religion is the one and only one and everyone else is a bunch crap.
Pick a religion or don’t, either way keep it to yourself. I personally don’t care that you’ve been saved.
i agree. im agnostic and my bfs cousin came up to me on thanksgiving and told me “we believe in God here, hope thats not a problem for you” i was shocked as i had sat quietly and bowed my head during the prayer. i find more people on the internet are blasting anyone who isnt religous. and the person who made this graph randomly decides to throw in gay people? waste of a front page graph
Yup, at family gatherings I can see my in-laws peeking at me while they say grace even though I’m just bowing my head being quiet and respectful. Maybe they’re waiting for me to burst into flame.
They’re wishing you wouldn’t be so respectful, that way they could feel persecuted and vilify you, and maybe label you as a satanist to boot.
no, satanists at least admit that there is a god, so we are even worse than they are.
That would be so cool. Just sayin’. It would definitely make for a memorable Thanksgiving.
You do realize that by claiming that no religion could be the actual truth you are, in fact, dismissing and insulting every religion AND every world view since each religion and world view, by default, believes itself to be the truth.
That includes your own. You just wrote a rather scathing post insulting people for holding a position as “true” – yet your own post IS a position (that no religion is the absolute truth) which YOU hold to the exclusion of all other positions.
That is actual hypocrisy.
soo not believing is a belief, and if everybodys wrong, who is right? If a wood chuck could chuck wood, how much wood could a wood chuck chuck, if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
I missed where SoS insutled people she just spoke the truth, that different religions think other religions are false, including the different brands of xtianity, and that she doesn’t want to hear what they’re selling.
whut.
I doubt you’re enlightening anyone there.
Dude, I would be happy to insult you directly to your face. Take your gay hate and cram it. I have met Christians who actually live the example of Christ, and you give them a bad name.
they like it crammed
so wait they sell away everything they own but a walking stick, robes, and sandels? cause that is what christ told you to do
How did this get to the front page? The least tolerant people I know are religious- and that ESPECIALLY includes other religions.
And as others have pointed out- usually the part with “Gay and Gay rights” is the other way around.
Atheist for gay rights here, FUCK CHRISTIANITY. That is all.
Huh. Y’know, I’m a Christian and I’d NEVER say “Screw atheism.”
That’s because it’s not constantly shoved down your throat by everyone you meet. Ever stopped to think about how religion (particularly Christianity) permeates your life if you live in the US? “In God we trust,” Sunday hours, “Bless you/God Bless America,” the ten commandments, what would Jesus do, the endless debates about abortion and homosexuality that are only questioned because of an old book…
We had some ads on buses last week here in Des Moines that said it was okay not to believe in a god. They got taken down in less than a week. But the billboards about “embryos are just tiny babies!” and god talking to you and whatever? Those have been up for months and months. Yay, Christianity.
Yep, anytime a group lets you know freedom from religion is also a valid choice, that poor little tiny group of xtinas, who everyone picks on, crys foul and for some reason that poor little, teeny, tiny, defenseless group get their way. That’s so weird, huh?
I’m sure it couldn’t have had anything to do with the money necessary to support a billboard.
By the way, perhaps you’d prefer to live in another country, like Iran, or Italy, where religion isn’t shoved in your face. Oops, nevermind…
I’m not particularly religious, but damn, we have it pretty good!
not saying we don’t, not sure exactly where your going with sending me to other countries, but in America I do get religion shoved in my face, the difference is I don’t have to put up with it. I love America, and I love being American, I love The Bill of Rights and The Declaration of Independance and most of all I love the fact that a lot of the folks who put those documents together felt the same way I do.
Correct, the founding fathers were Atheist.
not all of them, but a lot were agnostic. Look up what some of them had to say about christianity, or for that matter see what Abe Lincoln had to say, and he was a republican
Or how about I don’t, and Abe Lincoln was not a founding father. So whatever point you’re trying to make, it’s irrelevant.
Sorry, my point was some of the FF’s were atheist, some of them were agnostic, and some were xtian. They were diverse in their beliefs. I threw honest Abe in there as a bonus atheist/agnostic. Saying all of the FF’s were atheist is not an accurate statement.
Actually a lot of them were deist.
Doctor FTW
while I disagree with your opinion, I will defend to the death your right to voice it.
can’t we all just live and let live?
Hear, hear! Thomas Jefferson FTW!
True, atheists are ridiciulously obnoxious in that regard.
I’m sure that not every atheist is obnoxious. there are some good people and some bad people everywhere you go.
So, I have a 135% chance of insulting religion if I’m Atheist [b]and[/b] on the internet?
Stupid BBCode *Waves fist at religion*
I’m not gonna lie, I’m an atheist and about 50% of atheists are obnoxious bastards who are just as annoying as any religious nutcase. I personally don’t care if a person believes in God/Gods so long as they’re willing to shut up about it.
I think the atheists that come on so strong do so because they are always having to defend themselves. And ANYTHING they say to defend themselves, even during a reasonable discussion, will be percieved as insulting. So it really becomes a damned if you do or damned if you don’t. So some of them probably just say what the hell and go for broke when in conversations.
I am atheist, and I never give anyone a hard time about their belief provided they are not shoving it at me. Religion or lack of it does not define good people. But if a god-flogger opens up, they are going to get eaten alive. BTW atheists do not have a belief to defend.
First, I don’t believe this was written by an atheist, but just to make it clear, agnostics do not have a belief to defend (they can’t decide without proof); atheists believe there is no God (or are no Gods, Goddesses, supreme beings, whatever). This is not meant as either support or criticism of any religion or set of religious beliefs or non-beliefs (just going for clarity here).
I may believe there’s no god, but that doesn’t mean I have faith there isn’t one. It means I haven’t seen any proof, and until otherwise, will operate under the assumption there isn’t one, much in the same way I believe there are no tigers lurking in my closet.
A/gnosticism is about weather or not the existence of god can be known. A/theism is about weather or not a god exists. Agnostic is not some middle ground between atheism and theism. Its possible to be an agnostic theist (I don’t know if there is a god but I believe in him) or an agnostic atheist (I don’t know if there is a god but I find it hard to believe one exists).
Secondly, syntax is important. Atheists believe there is no god != Atheists do not believe in god. Saying atheism is a belief is like saying bald is a hair color. This is often confused because many atheists do oppose religion, but few atheists will make the positive claim that god does not exist. This is because atheists recognize that when a theist and an atheist go back forth with “is so” and “is not” they’re not actually arguing. They’re just contradicting mutually unprovable premises.
What most atheists will argue against is the validity of holy books, through historical or ethical reasoning. Or argue about the improbability of a personal deity. Or point to the abundant horrific human behavior attributable to fanatical belief (be it religious, political, or ideological). Atheism isn’t a belief and it has no dogma. Very few theists get the concept of simply not believing, and instead assume that atheists are believing in the ‘not’ itself.
Random Guy you nailed it. You even organized my personal thoughts better. It’s not so much “God” I’m choosing to disbelieve, it’s all the man made religions that claim they are the one and only truth.
What about us Christians? In high school, I was the only Christian on the newspaper staff. I CONSTANTLY had to defend myself, my beliefs and opinions. Now, don’t get me wrong–I love debating. I love defending my beliefs. But it was when they started in on the personal attacks that I got sick of it.
Where was this imaginary high school? Iran? India? If you went to HS in America I’m certain these people who made “personal attacks” against you probably considered themselves xtians as well, and you were probably just overly sensative.
Uh, no. They were atheists and agnostics. One of them grew up in a conservative Christian home and considered herself to be some kind of hero for being liberal. I’d say something they didn’t agree with and they’d jump down my throat. One of them made a joke about Christians so offensive the teacher got involved. To his credit, he did apologize.
While we’re on the topic….
I’m a Christian, and I know that not all who claim to be Christians are nice people. They reflect badly on Christianity, and I find this not only sad, but maddening. And I also know that not all atheists and agnostics are mean. I also know that not all atheists and agnostics are these wonderful perfect people who became altruistic by leaving religion behind them, and I resent having this characterization shoved in my face just as much as you resent having religion shoved in your face. Please realize that religious people are tormented just as much–if not more than–non-religious people.
Alright, ILikePie, I would like to charge you for a minute of my life for reading the most useless and completely noncommittal statement in my life – and this is after multiple presidential election debates/speeches…
“Please realize that religious people are tormented just as much–if not more than–non-religious people.” Pie, please read my post above about an atheist running for Pres. and tell me once again who is more persecuted.
Hey, I agreed that some atheists are tormented for their beliefs. But in my experience, more Christians are tormented for theirs, since the dominant attitude in our culture seems to be “Anything but Christianity.”
And may I point out that instead of responding to my points, both of you sidestepped them and instead attacked me personally. Honestly, things aren’t looking up for your arguments….
I’m sorry what is your point? Is it that CHRISTmas shopping starts in July. Is it that I have to listen to CHRISTmas hymns for 4 months of the year? Is it every time a CHRISTian holliday rolls around I have to hear about how I’m going to hell from people who only go to church on those holidays? Christians are the least prosecuted people in America! WTF “Anything but xtianity” how many xtian churches do you see when you drive around town, how many times does the president say “God Bless America” when he addresses the country? How many people that aren’t xtians blow up abortion clinics and carry signs that say “God Hates Fags” How many non-christians were calling for Obama’s head and calling him an Arab terrorist because of his herritage? Last I checked the only people officially & publicly persecuting others in this country are xtians. When anybody disagrees or stands up to them, then all of a sudden it’s an attack and the wole world is against them. Stop crying Pie you can belive how you want to believe, and unlike what you and your ilk try to do to everyone else, I won’t try and stop you.
Seriously, you are a god. How ironic.
It’s because if they can’t believe they’re being persecuted, they have to own up to what aggrandizing jerks they’ve been to everyone else.
And here all this time I thought we Christians were supposed to be the ones with the persecution complexes…
They’re the ones with fake persecution complexes
+900 points for a good pwning in the face of a redneck adversary.
Disclaimer: I’m not going to take sides in this debate, unless I actually see someone say something theologically/philosophically interesting. But a good pwning is a good pwning.
points giver = fail
It’s called “projection.”
all that means is that there a lot of christians in this country.christmas has become a commercialized holiday that is more about buying and spending and santa claus than it is about the birth of Jesus Christ.this nation was founded on Godly principles and to say God bless america has a lot to do with our heritage. blowing up abortion clinics and to say that God hates anyone is not Christlike.God loves everyone but He does hate some of the things that people do.Jesus told us to forgive others and to love everyone and to judge not lest ye be judged.he also said “he who is without sin should cast the first stone” to a group of people that were wanting to stone a woman to death for adultry(an offense punishable by death)after they all slipped away guiltily he told the woman to go and sin no more. there are a lot of fanatical people in the world that are just looking for an opportunity to condemn someone else for their actions, but that is not what God wants us to be.
The founding fathers sought to create a nation completely separate from religion. Considering cavalcades of a European history rich in religious tyranny and prosecution, you can see their motivation.
Church and state were supposed to be separate. And every time someone says “America was founded as a christian nation” a University History Professor commits suicide.
Next thing you know you’ll be telling me “In God We Trust” has always been on our currency.
if you dont believe christians are persecuted than just watch tv for a while. the media paints an ugly picture of religion that has nothing to do with reality
You need to feel persecuted because you feel subconsciously validated. So you go out of your way to look for it. That’s why you’ve commented fervently on a meaningless graph on the internet, that’s why you’re picking up “an ugly picture of religion” from television (seriously, what are you on? Do you even own a television?), and that’s why you’re arguing with someone you don’t know on the internet about whose more persecuted.
Let me say that again so it sinks in.
You’re. Arguing. With someone. On the internet. About who is more persecuted.
You’re the poster child of the persecution complex.
Couldn’t the same be said about said Internet people?
When was the last time a xtain in America was beaten/shot to death because of his faith? When was the last time an xtian in America was forced to change his belief in Jesus? I’m gonna say never. Yet In AZ a store clerk was shot in the head simpley because he was wearing a turban as was perscribed by his faith, and in MT a teenager was beaten to death by his peers because he was gay. Once I see news stories popping up about people being killed in America because they are xtian then I will concede that you are being persecuted, Currently all I see are xtians being dicks on the tv and in real life. The main group in America doing most of the persecuting, and oppressing are the xtians.
Yeah….let me get the violin out for the overwhelming majority…oh, and not to mention those protected by law…
Yeah, but really aren’t you supposed to turn the other cheek if you feel people are insulting you? And look at the plank in your own eye before the splinter in your neighbours?
But I guess you can’t follow those rules if you don’t discipline women who go to church when they have their period, stone people to death if they have stunted growth, you know, all that other stuff that’s the word of god that’s not observed, either.
All these crazy “rules”. Anyone would think half the Bible was just written by Hebrews stuck in a Babylonian library while they were in exile!
Pleasssee see how awful I have it over here in Christian land, pleassse look at me, pleasssse feel badly for me.
Boo hoo. We all take crap for the things we believe in/dont’ believe in. I don’t eat meat and I hear about it all day “WTF meat is awesome, you’re a loser”. I guess the next time someone twists my arm about why I don’t like meat, I’ll come on the internet and whine about my pitiful life full of other people that have differing opinions. CRIES.
In high school (making the assumption it was a public school in America) your beliefs should have been inconsequential, no matter WHAT club you had joined, be it newspaper staff, volleyball team or drama club. Honestly, if YOU were not making a fuss about your beliefs, what was ANYONE doing even bringing them up? Why would a HS newspaper have anything to say about Christianity? You should have been talking about… oh, I don’t know… maybe NEWS?
“are obnoxious bastards” “Well” done sir.
I like it – well done!
Sometimes I insult religion, and im not gay or fighting for the gay rights or atheist or im on the internet when i do it.
Someon’e been on IMDB’s “Bruno” messageboard
Did you mean “Brüno”? Ümläüts röck!
+100 points for ëxcëssïvë üsë öf ümläüts.
A proper Swede would explode before being able to pronounce that. o_O
why swede?
Ä,Ö, and Ü are real Umlauts and mostly used in German language, Ë and Ï are used to show diaeresis in French.
Weisenhimer – Peace – Out!
I don’t know what being Swedish has to do with it either, considering the only “unusual” characters in Swedish are å, ä, ö and occasionally é.
This graph is full of fail.
what is the joke? what does being gay have to do with religion?
uh this is completely stupid. this is being extremely stereotypical. i know gay ppl and religious ppl who insult religion more than me and i’m an atheist…the title should be fail…
now make the graph of religious people insulting gays on the internet. Then makes the graph of religious people trying to insult people on the internet by calling them gay. Then make the graph of religious people insulting people of any religion other than their own. Face it, teh interwebs are where all the hate flows freely from all sides of any debate. This graph, for example, is insulting gays by presuming that they hate religion. There are many gay religious people who simply choose to ignore the hatred of the old testament and focus on the message of peace and love in the new testament…much like right wing conservatives ignore the peace and love part to focus on the gay-bashing and stoning of everyone who has an opinion different from them.
RID FTW
You know there are religions that DOESN’T exclude and supress gay people? Your world must be blissful… Try reading some books, maybe that will cure it.
Every group of people nowadays is publicly represented by it loudest, most obnoxious minority. Sane people from every group (Atheist, Christian or anything else) can’t get a word in edgewise.
When you multiply that by the fact that every idiot on the internet feels it’s necessary to blurt out every piece of filth that pops into their heads I begin to worry if we’ll ever be able to meaningfully communicate again.
I agree with you. out of all the good christians, jews, muslims, atheists, ect, it’s the obnoxious ones that get noticed.
Squeaky wheel, and all that.
How about the sane, tolerant, calm, and rational make some noise for once?
Oh, right. We’re too busy living lives of calm, peace and happiness.
Shalom! Saalam! Peace! Blessed be everyone!
@zephr
AMEN!
I hate god, people who believe in him are douche bags
Yet you yourself hate God, which would mean you believe in God…. Oh the irony!
I second that, Nash.
A-t-h-e-i-s-t.
E, then I.
Like theist. But with an ‘a.’
Thank you for proving yourself to be someone worth making fun of.
People who don’t like their beliefs being made fun of shouldn’t have such stupid beliefs.
I’m not giving any points, and I know the spelling error has been commented on already, but I’ve got to say…
Why don’t these get filtered out? They get here only when approved, right? (Myabe not?) I’m really getting frustrated with poks inthe ayes. Seriously though, it ruins the humor. Send it back for a revision. It won’t kill you.
Do I get points for being gay, fighting for gay rights, an atheist, and on the internet…and not insulting religion! Go me! -does a little dance-
Of course, I do have to throw in my two cents for the fun of it. I say ‘peace’. No good will come from an endless argument; everyone’s opinion is set in stone. If you can’t change it, then pet down your ruffled feather’s, throw on your favourite t.v. show, and just settle. You believe that you’re going to go to heaven? Take peace in that. You don’t believe in heaven or God or Gods or Goddesses? Take peace in that. Run. Be free. Fly like happy little butterflies.
And y’all are probably thinking I’m a crazy hippie by now. Well, guess what? I’m a republican! I brake stereotypes! More pets for me!
If you fight for gay rights, how is it that you also vote republican? Do you find that you have to compromise your values in some way, or do you try not to think too much about it?
It seems a lot of Log Cabins and other gay republicans, when confronted on their party’s hostility for “special rights” for gay people, typically offer some justification that other issues (national security, free enterprise) must take priority. It just seems self-defeating to me.
I once asked a gay, republican-voting friend of mine how he could endorse a political party that would rather he not exist. His response was, and I quote, “$$$$$.”
It was a very candid, heartbreaking answer.
I would more than happily mind my own business if the xtians would stay the hell out of it! And if I lived in another country with another dominant religion I would say the same to their brand of hogwash. When was the last time an atheist or agnostic came knocking, uninvited to your door? When was the last time an atheist or agnostic condemned you to etenal damnation for your belief? I understand that you’re all afraid of your own mortality, and if your belief gives you comfort that is fine with me, but when the activists start hurting innocent people, and publicly villify anyone who doesn’t belive the way they do, and they start to pass legislation based on religious belief instead of logic and reason then is is my duty as an American citizen to stand up against those people and use my vote to ensure that the Preamble of the Consitution and the Bill of Rights are not usurped by one special interest group. America was never meant to be a religious state, period.
Obviously you understand that my position was a difficult one to come by and is still rather precarious on its perch. However, just like I can’t change that I’m gay, I can not seem to dissuade my conservative fiscal beliefs. So I make sacrifices. Right now, I think it’s more important to focus on national security and the economy, and I feel that, when we’re more stable, then my day will come when I can fight for my equal rights. Until then, I’ll bend over and take the abuse from my own party while advocating the forefront issues of our platform.
Oh, and because I don’t feel like writing another reply, Squid. Don’t preach to the choir, as ironic as the saying is in the current conversation. You’re yelling at a fellow atheist without seeming to understand anything that I was trying to offer. My ideology, as stated before, is that if you can’t change it, then don’t bother getting riled arguing about it in a forum that will only make you and everyone else more frustrated. If you want to try through the government to do whatever it is you feel you must, then do that. But there can be nothing productive from yelling at people over the internet who are not going to change their opinions because of you anyway.
I couldn’t possibly agree with you more. Kudos for you, Super.
I don’t see how going around pissing off everyone else in the world and racking up humongous debts makes the Republicans good candidates for national security and the economy.
Unfortunately both Republicans and Democrats have realized that no matter how badly they screw us over, in five or ten years we’ll have forgotten and they’ll be back in power. They have no incentive to do a good job. They just take turns screwing us.
Vote Libertarian! It’s the only way things will ever really change. Plus they’re fiscally conservative and support gay rights. You’ve gotta like that, right?
You mean “break,” do you not?
What if I’m all four of them… But it’s my dad who insults religion? What then?
Is it really any surprise that Christians feel persecuted? If you look at any group that, historically, has been unequally privileged and then attempt to level the field you ALWAYS get backlash. Because equality isn’t simply the elevation of other groups, but also requires taking certain privileges away from the ruling class. So it probably does feel like persecution to those who have not suffered a great deal of discrimination. Add to it that these groups are the majority in power – giving them more access to media and a higher visibility – add to that that unlike an actual minority group they are not actually being persecuted and thus do not have to censor their opinions for fear of the empowered majority, and it’s so easy to see why any comment by atheist will instantly be viewed with suspicion while equally aggressive Christians (as well as far more radical ones, ones who out do anything I’ve seen Atheist do at any national level) receive a less harsh criticism.
The best part is, you can do this trick with almost any powerful class! Sexism exists? Yeah, against MEN because they no longer own 100% of the top companies! Obviously, that one female CEO is proof of total equality! Racism is still a problem? For white people because we have a black president now, and all those statistics that show an obvious racial bias in society that favor white people are just like, made up or something (And no using prisons, education, death rate, and job numbers as proof! That’s not fair!) Homophobia? Only because they are shoving it in our face doing things like holding hands in public and trying to ban all straight PDA. Okay, so I haven’t heard of that one but it has to be true because THEY are not just like US and still want equal rights, therefore they must actually hate us…
Logic Gaps: They work like that.
Bingo. This is the only reason Glenn Beck is on tv.
Glen Beck, the guy acts like a televangelist. I feel sick and unclean everytime his face pops up.
I was at Borders earlier today, you know he has a book out?
I think it was called a Convenient Truth. Or something along those lines. I was tempted to purchase it in case I needed a laugh… but… you said it quite well yourself everything about him’s just… dirty.
ILikePie – I applaud your comments. I found the fact that you challenged the others to not insult but debate very logical and mature, and they could not do it. That says a lot.
Same.
I like his comments too, I don’t like the part about him playing the christian victim though, or not being cognizant enough to realize that religion and specifically christianity permeate into our lives on a daily basis in America whether you want it to or not. Perhaps some kids were mean to you and claimed to be agonostic and atheist, but guess what, there are far fewer of them out there than you, and the xtians have much more political power and influence than any other religious group in America. So when you look at the bigger picture ILP, you and people like you may be taunted from time to time but in the end the real victims are the ones the xtians decide to target.
Everyone is a victim. More or less we’ve all been through it.
I’m Atheist, and I never insult religion. Just because I don’t believe in it doesn’t mean you can’t. Besides, in my experience, it’s the religious that usually end up insulting me! *GRAPH FAIL*
“Give me the piece of the puzzle that I am lacking, that shows me what I have been missing that proves beyond any shadow of a doubt…”
Squid, I don’t think you really want it, but you asked. I struggled with religion and the idea of a creator of some kind for a long time until I began researching Intelligent Design. Even though most supporters are Christians and when you read the books you have to take opinion out of them, but in the end you are left with many scientific (not religious) FACTS that fly in the face of science as we think we understand it, cast doubt on random evolution, and prove that something intelligent had to have created living beings. I think it would be worth your investigation, if you were not just being sarcastic.
In addition, it may not be hardcore proof, but I find it compelling that the creation process in the Bible is: space/earth/water/creatures in the sea/creatures on the land/humans. This is what God revealed to Moses. This happens to be the exact same way that scientists say the order was in which everything evolved. Coincidence that someone thousands of years ago got it right? Think about it.
Is this the same “intelligent design”/”creationism” that says the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Sorry “Intelligent” design may be great pseudo science but it isnt real science, and has been debunked a number of times when studied with true scientific method. As far as the proof I require, I need an Angel/Devil/Jesus/or god itself to come to me directly and give irrefutable proof of their divinity/demonity. I will accept nothing spoken by or written by man.
You’ve mixed up creationism and intelligent design. Creationism is literal interpretation of the bible, 6,000 years and all that. Intelligent Design is the belief that God used things such as evolution and the big bang to create the world.
@Wolverines!!!
no, Intelligent design is not specifically referring to evolution and the big bang theory. ID is more broad than the niche you are putting it in. Intelligent design is the theory that if you put all of the pieces of a watch into a box and shake the box forever, a watch will never result without some intelligence putting the pieces together in a functional design. I know its not the most perfect metaphor but you get where i’m going with this.
My gayness flies in the face of intelligent design.
Hmm; I’m atheist *and* on the internet, so logically I should be making fun of religion 100+% of the time. I’d say I criticize (not make fun of) religion about .6% of my time, and not at all while I’m online. So… yeah, the graph is really narrow, and not funny enough to be considered a joke.
In fact, I’d go as far to say this graph should go 2 doors over to FAILblog.
I’m a gay atheist, and while I occasionally criticize religions, I don’t insult it. That’s my dad’s job. He spends most of his time ranting about how religion is evil and stupid, sometime even in front of my Christian friends… It’s so embarrassing.
Personally I’m very tired of the protected status that religion in general has. You can diss someones political viewpoints and get a round of applause (if you do it well) but do the same with religious beliefs (which can be, face it, downright ridiculous) and you’re some kind of monster.
Religious people are usually pretty upset when I say that I’m not a religious person and will unlikely ever to become one. I sometimes even say I’m immune to it. Seems they’re upset because they cannot force their beliefs down my throat.
And few people like to be reminded for about the fact they they do are in fact atheists to most gods (I and an increasingly larger number simply go one further). This should cause everyone to reflect a bit. Perhaps you’re not right after all.. especially since most people do not choose their religious beliefs..it is chosen “for” them by others.
This is the problem with people assuming that words are spelled exactly the way they pronounce them…it’s ATHEIST, okay?
comments were way better than the graph. just sayin’
Hello everyone! This is my first post on Graph Jam!
I’m what people call ‘agnostic’, but I believe in a higher power/supreme being/sky pilot. I just don’t pick a team to play on. I’d like to think that the higher power/supreme being/sky pilot would want people to be decent to one another, other than spending their lives worrying about some reward or punishment that they’ll receive when they die.
Yeah, that’s what I figure too, any benevolent God would want people to be excellent to each other, not care about praise.
Still, I don’t believe in a God, flying pink elephants, Santa Claus, or whatever else there is no proof exists. It’s a rational assumption, I make those every day about all kinds of things, God is no exception.
I don’t mind your view though, each to his own. What I really mind is people who try to deny reality by contradicting science with ancient literature, or are intolerant.
If you want to see how “benevolent” the “creator” was, watch a few nature shows, also realize that almost nothing living on this planet can live without consuming another living organisim, be it animal, vegetable, or microscopic. Yes, there are also moments in nature where tenderness and mercy are shown, but in order to survive one must eat.
Don’t preach to the choir.
Which is explained perfectly in Genesis 3 with what is known as the “Fall of man” if you’re not familiar with it. After man sinned, *then* animals started eating animals, etc, etc.
Yeah, ’cause Intelligent Design says that Lions and Tigers and Bears (oh my!) were vegetarians living sustainably and peaceably upon the land before “Man’s Epic Fail” (excuse me, “WOman’s Epic Fail”). And then they started eating other animals and forsaking their peaceful vegetarian ways and polluting and overpopulating the Earth and using all the natural resources and making war on other animals….DAMN YOU CARNIVORES!!!!
I’m a devout Catholic, but in a sense I couldn’t agree more with what I think you are saying. I don’t do good works to receive grace but rather it is because of grace that I choose to do good works. So one might fear dying, but then there is no fear of death. Do I think non-Catholics can’t get to heaven? I think the path is there for all people; one simply has to choose it, even upon their last breath.
well close you’re an agnostic theist, sir
OK, just to clarify, this graph was originally meant to show how those who are probably most justified in insulting religion do not.
Somejsmith, I daresay your graph is justified in the limited context of the religion of fundamentalists who rail against gays and gay rights in general however in many religious communities gays are actually being welcomed.
An openly gay man who was a cleric in an Anglican community would have no reason whatsoever to ‘insult religion’, for instance.
Or, maybe, its like he said.
What do you mean? Do you disagree that some religious congregations actually welcome gay men?
No, I think that some do. ALL should, but some do.
I was simply saying that, maybe its like he said. It’s just a silly little graph. Im sure he didnt think all that out.
Everyone is justified insulting religion. Religion promotes fear, complacency, division, hatred, war, persecution, and most of all, discrimination.
And the point you’re trying to clarify is that you failed to make a graph that ends with the phrase “Actual _____.” Something we’ve had quite enough of.
This could easily be flipped:
Likelihood of someone insulting gays if they are
1. actually religious
2. pretending to be religious to get support for the conservative agenda but have WAY to much money to actually care about working-class Christians except as a cynical marketing tool
3. a homophobic straight guy (“bro”)
4. on the internet
I’m an atheist. (Not “athiest”; that would mean “most athy” which is not a thing.) I also prefer not to get into screaming religious debates online or in person because everything I have to say has already been said and I know I’m not going to change anyone’s mind.
However, this graph is cruel. Gay people are NOT going around fighting a war against religion. I’ve known many very religious gay people of many different faiths. All they’re doing is trying to be treated the same as anyone else. If religion is the obstacle, which usually it is, then yes, they’ll have some choice words for that particular religion (as will I, as a straight ally). But saying gays are attacking religion is just that tired Christian persecution complex raising its ugly head yet again. We never actually fed you to the lions, so let it go already!
I don’t care what religion you are or aren’t. Equality is equality.
I personally don’t think either the dems nor the republicans serve the working class well. they have other masters.
To be fair, the graph indicates only about 10% of gays are fighting religion. Who knows? Maybe there ARE gay people who are fighting religion, but just so few and far between that no one has ever noticed them.
It’s not often on the internet you find perfect comments.
You have concisely, accurately, and systematically countered every aspect of this graph. All I can say is “bravo.”
i’m happy when someone saves me the time of showcasing reality.
I also get tired of christians whining about how persecuted they are.
I’m athier than all of you.
Does that make you THE atheist?
Nuh-uh! I’M the athiest!
gay isnt a religion
pretty sure that a) we know that, and b) they weren’t saying it WAS
i can bet about 80% or higher on here are agnostic
What does that say about gay atheists fighting for gay rights on the internet? Or maybe even lesbians?
Most athiests on the internet-trolls. I have nothinging against athiests,the ones on the internet tend act like morons though,and enjoy mocking people,but get offended when they retaliate. As I always say,nowadays,if you arent a gay rights supporting,athiest,democrat,people think negatively of you. My response? Screw you.
It’s ATHEISTS Goddammit…ATHEISTS!’
He can’t help it, he was born retarded.
I made him that way
many of you evil atheists have set as your standard for belief nothing less than the appearence on this plane of existence by god himself. well, here he is. undisputable proof in the existence of god. i assume there’ll be no more argument. so get yourselves to church (the right church, of course. and if you don’t know which one that was, than you obviously weren’t paying close enough attention).
(It’s the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster)
And you, sir, REALLY irritate me. All I have seen you do is make sadistic comments on here simply for the purpose of insulting Christianity, under the obviously and intentionally false pretense of God.
give us a reason to not insult it
Some politeness and respect for other people’s beliefs, perhaps?
Prove he isn’t God Gangstakitteh, If you believe words written by men in a book 2000 years ago, why not words written by someone claiming divinity in an online comments section? Or would that just be too “crazy”?
I fully intend to start my own religion and, in it, the number one commandment will be: ‘thou shall learn to spell at school and get a basic grasp of syntax.’
People who say things like ‘one in the same’ or ‘would of’ will be pilloried in the marketplace and those heretics who suggest that people who mangle the English language are actually ‘evolving it’ will be driven from human society with bullwhips.
So sayeth Lord Nostromo
Praise be unto him
Cool..an acolyte, hahaha. For further instructions refer to ‘Eats, shoots and leaves.’
Spelling errors
Poor grammar
Troll bait
Schizophrenic capitalization
Poor graph construction…
This belongs on page one! Vote fiven!
The highest probability would be actual intelligent people.
this graph is the perfect description of the religion section of yahoo answers haha. its funny how the religion section of yahoo answers is 99% atheist and how these omniscience atheists like to make it known how everyone who doesn’t follow their “unbelief” system is retarded. where are the actual intelligent debates??? I get tired of certain Christians condemming everyone and certain atheists trying to convert non atheists as if they were an established religion themselves!
Dear fellow Christians: try to spread Christianity by spreading god’s love and not condemning people. Convert those around you by acting normal and being happy. when others ask the key to your happiness, then it would be a good time to whip out the word.
Atheists: Please dont get the wrong impression of religion from the ignorant people who only want to tell you that you are going to hell.
You’re tired of people pushing atheism, yet in the same post you urge your fellows to spread Christianity?
Forget what people tell me and others about religion. Read news and see how religion poisons. There are plenty of reason to argue against religion and superstition in general.
I don’t generalize based on the loudest idiots, but I do have two things against religion.
1. I think it, on the whole, does more harm than good. This in line with the quote “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion.”
2. Religion is not rational. The rational approach is to assume non-existence when lacking proof. This is mainly because it’s the only viable approach when applied consistently, as otherwise you’d believe in EVERYTHING until something is proven to not exist, and it is generally impossible to prove something does not exist.
I value rationality and consistency, therefore religion has never and will never be something I believe in. It is wholly incompatible with how my brain works.
Actually, all of these bars should be so high they are off the chart. People in all of those categories insult religion every chance they get. A few less people on the internet who don’t fall into the other categories (there is a LOT of overlap in these categories) insult religion but not by much. My guess is the author of this graph fits in more than one of these categories.
Haha, that’s hilarious. All of the atheists/agnostics/homosexuals here assume the author of this chart is Christian, because clearly’s he’s complaining about how much atheists/agnostics/homosexuals persecute him and he assumes that religion == Christianity; on the other hand, here we have a Christian who assumes the author must be atheist/agnostic/homosexual because he’s not claiming to be persecuted /enough/. Wow.
I insult religion 155% of the time
Honestly, who gives a phuck about this arrogant religious shet and their anti-gayness? Just because people find it much easier to criticise religion on the internet doesn’t mean they feel differently in real life. This graph is from just another religious nut wanting to inject Jesus wherever possible and start a fight where it doesn’t belong.
You know, some of us wouldn’t be insulting religions at all if it weren’t for the fact that some like to deny people their civil rights.
And for the record, I’m Buddhist and insult religion more than my atheist friends ^_^
you now you’re an atheist right? unless you believe in a god outside your buddhism.
So what I see as a general breakdown here is that I through the comments, I have been called every one of the categories in the graph. At the same time I am also homophobic and hate all of those categories. *sigh* Gotta love interwebz logic.
Well, the Internet is not a hive mind, it’s a bunch of different people reaching different conclusions based on their own world view and preconceptions. Did you really expect a consensus?
no, I just wish some people could agree with me instead of calling me wrong for opposite reasons.
You want people to agree with you? Yeah, that’s unlikely. Rare enough IRL, but even more unlikely with a heterogeneous group like Internet users.
Should join a cult if you want people to agree with you.
So sayeth Lord Nostromo
wha….
-”if They are” should have been init-capitalized.
-”If They Are” should have been followed by a colon.
-”If They Are:” should not have even been part of the title, the X-Axis title is supposed to explain that part.
-the 100% Label is missing
-You misspelled Atheist
-Your X-axis groups aren’t mutually exclusive
-Your axis are not labeled.
That, is what is wrong with the construction of the graph, and it doesn’t even begin to go into what’s wrong about the graph itself.
Nice job
All hail Discordia!
Don’t worry people, I learned my lesson. I lesson that can be conviently summarized in Graph form. http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4913476
You… really didn’t learn anything.
That’s very saddening.
I try my hardest to show respect for those with religious beliefs, but I will not respect anyone who uses their beliefs to justify discrimination. I personally do not believe in a god, and I do not find it logical to do so, but I can see why some people need the comfort and direction that they believe they can only find in their faith.
Actually, most atheists don’t make fun of religion, they are respectful but withdrawn. I personally do not believe in a God, nor do I find any single bit of a logical explanation told to me as to why I should. I am respectful of religions and I try never to discriminate. I don’t like it when another person, real life or internet, discriminate against another religion by using their own religious beliefs. I hate it when ANYONE says that another person is not a nice person just because they believe in a different religion.
This graph shows the sad truth. If you think the graph lies… read the comments on it. The only thing everybody seems to forget is that technically atheism is also a religion. It is official, I didn’t invent that.
I think the vast majority of atheists (myself included) would be inclined to dissagree with you and with whatever source you got your information from.
This graph is athy. It might be athier than other graphs but it’s not the athiest I’ve ever seen.
[|============] Probability “atheist” is spelled correctly by the religious
[============|] Probability that someone will call “atheism” a religion
While not technically a religion, it is still a worldview. Everyone believes something, and atheists (I spelled it right; *GASP*) simply believe there is no God. Please squid, don’t say that you actually just “don’t believe in a God,” because that just semantics and saying the same thing in a different way. If you don’t believe in God, then for you, you believe there is no God. IT’S THE SAME THING!
A rational assumption is not a belief.
I don’t believe there is a god.
I actually don’t belive there is a god
I really, truly actually don’t believe there is a god
I believe I will disbelieve in god
If feel you must pin me down and stick a belief flag on my head then here is what I believe in; free will. I believe every person has it and that anyone who gives it up blindly, and without question to something intangible kills a beautiful part of themself
Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” [Thomas Jefferson]
“Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile.” [Kurt Vonnegut
Can I put it this way? (and pardon the cheesy analogy)
If you do not believe in the Easter bunny, then how is that any different than saying you believe there is no Easter bunny?
From dictionary.com;
be⋅lief
–noun
1. something believed; an opinion or conviction
If you do not believe in the Easter bunny (or God) then you are of the opinion that it/He doesn’t exist. Therefore, you believe it.
Atheists do not insult religions. We just pity the foo.
Religion deserves to be insulted.
Apparently people with religion don’t use the internet. And yes, we just pity the foo
Um… Picking on religion is fun. Religion is also the cause of the majority of the worlds problems. More have died in the name of god than any other cause.
Oh yeah? Well my all-powerful imaginary friends can beat up your all-powerful imaginary friends!
But…it’s fun to rile up the religious nuts….
Wow… the graph maker was psychic! (or just observant)
I generalize that atheists disapprove of organized religion due to the sole fact that certain people are appointed (either by so-called divinity or through man i.e. Peter the foundation which the Catholic Church was built on as by Jesus and the Papacy which is decided by elections) which would not make sense if God was omniscient,omnipotent,omnipresent, omni-whatever for God would not require any of this. If God wanted to, God(I do not want to offend anybody by using “He” or “She” or even the concept that God is a flying spaghetti monster) would have created and would foresee all that will happen in the institution which God made. I am sorry to the person who lost his wife via either through negligence(which would not make God as to who God is for God is omnipotent,etc.) by God or due to the fact that God is indeed a sadist& toys with God’s playthings (note: Looked up deism and is impressed with their beliefs, also deists might be correct that God created the universe(s),which emphasize morality but will not interfere with the laws of the universe sans in case to the person who lost his wife (again, my condolences) but nobody mentions that there might be a counter-force to God let us call this opposing deity the Devil aka Satan aka Beelzebub aka the anti-Flying Spaghetti monster which does anything the respectable deity can do to lure away another person away from God’s fold. Have you ever thought that it not might be God who killed your wife but that the Devil did it to test you? For example: The story of Job, which in a sense does make it seem that God and the Devil were merely having a betting contest to see if Job would stray away from God, which at one point he did but immediately repented for it. God awarded him what he had before but literally two fold. Oh and remember that during that time-period God gave the Devil the permission to torture him as he sees fit for Job to finally recede from God but also that in the Bible (I do respect that atheists read the bible even if it is just to bash on it by highlighting the hypocritical, barbaric, immoral,unjust, etc. text which it contains………..or not and probably all of you atheists are more well-versed in the Biblethan I am) but there is a line, a passage that said that the Devil is the God of this world until the time of the Apocalypse. Yes I am mincing my words for atheists are very well proficient in debating and will expose whatever weakness, no matter how small it may be as it is even appropriate to say (in my opinion) that atheists are elite snipers who will destroy the validity of my argument in logical cold blood and to add insult to injury, will figuratively dance,piss,shit,defile,desecrate on my grave. Oh and of course, they’ll end it with that my I.Q. is equal to that of a tree stump and that I was in-bred due to a genetic bottleneck in the small hick town I came from (btw I am 20 year old Filipino guy so the thing about the hick town was just a figure of speech. Also I am a Catholic albeit wavering at times but never ever renounce that there is a benevolent God but only in ways which us humans can never comprehend) p.s. yes I am long-winded when writing comments and yes I am grammatically challenged sometimes but I will express this matter to the best of my capabilities even if I try and make my argument as solid as possible so to minimize the insults hurled by the apparently hostile atheists on this board. (I have a feeling that I will be scrutinized no matter what I say and most posters will show their abhorrence for my measly attempt at staying neutral xD) I am tolerant of gays and believe that the Catholic Church should adjust some if not most (the only one which I oppose forthright is abortion and that it should only be allowed if it is in danger of killing both assuming the child died while in the process of childbirth, not because the woman felt like it no matter what you pro-choice people say that is cold-blooded murder. What your doing is no better than committing homicide regardless of your arguments that it was just in the developmental stage. They are the Stalins, Hitlers, Pol Pots, etc. that are committing silent genocide for the babies they are carrying for they(fetuses,embryos) are undesirable and consider yourselves not ready. At least if you don’t want to keep the child, give it up for adoption so he/she can enjoy life, there are laws which can allow women to give up the child to the local police department, fire department (I think it’s called safe harbor laws but I doubt that’s right) and the woman will not be accused of any wrongdoing if is the case of the woman not being able to provide for the child’s needs or thinks the child is an unwanted burden)hmmm I forgot where I was.
*half an hour later* Oh yeah something about that the Catholic Church should adjust their stances to better adapt to the 21st century and beyond to ensure the longevity of Catholicism and in general Christianity. I do think that it is unnecessary, hard to believe that there is a go-between, spiritual middleman between God and God’s servants/followers. Religion should be spontaneous and not rigid& uniform, that by our faith (or lack there of) and by our deeds will be judged accordingly. (Personally I believe I’m going to purgatory) “Judge and you shall be judged” which makes me a hypocrite concerning what I said about people who assist, have abortions but which I did recommend that they give the child for adoption, so can I get brownie points for mentioning that? P.S.- What are brownie points btw? But this only proves that I am flawed and in turn verifies I am a human being who does all the things a human does (either if you admit it or not regardless of what you do or don’t believe) that I lust, I envy, I lie, I commit these sins and all others which I have not mentioned which I have done at least one point in my life and I do feel sorry for what I have done but what makes us and keeps us from transcending from just being human is that we have urges, hard-wired within us by evolution (and yes I do believe that creationism/ intelligent design and biology science in general go hand in hand.) Well I would like to vindicate some more but traffic dictates I should not lest I not make my hours, well final word: to……………everybody: In a perfect, moral, just world there would be nothing to worry about We’d all be friends and enjoying a global orgy smorgasbord which in this case the food would be replaced with all shapes, colors, and sizes of the lower extremities….oh and big ol titties despite that I am an ass aficionado(my fave is Mika Tan damn she is FINE and what she’s like 32 now? DAMN!) but I don’t mind having both ;D P.P.S.- I was kidding about the whole world submerged with the fetid yet appealing, appetizing, alluring, strangely astounding smells and sights which are brought only by the whole world literally fucking it’s brains out but a guy can dream can’t he XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
P.P.P.S.-Fuck that I’m dreaming of relishing the juicy pungent scents which is emitted by the pussy and butt hole of the one and only Mika Tan roflmao……….no really,I’m serious
WTF are you talking about ?! it’s too long to read.
Atheists: #1 problem of the internet. Ruining lives and destroying salvation for all young people impressionable enough to follow them.
Really? Atheists? THAT’S the #1 problem on the internet?
why is the first bar “actually gay” as apposed to just gay? is there people out there claiming to be gay dissing religion. i find the probability of someone dissing religion increases with the improbability of religious beliefs.
This is officially the best graph on graphjam. Here’s why.
1. It’s so true. Every wannabe troll gets a spine when no one knows who they are.
2. It’s making so many non-religious people mad. XD
Shut up the lot of you.