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How about R. Kelly (and Tom Cruise)?
Get this propaganda off of here, GraphJam is for funny stuff.
I think Southpark is pretty damn funny!
+1
Tired of hateful graphs. Even if it’s hateful against hateful people, it’s still hateful. And two wrongs don’t make a right.
FAIL.
omg, they killed kenny!
YOU BASTARDS! >(
but three rights make a left 0.o
This graph is gay in many senses of the term. Actually all senses except “happy”.
Jus sayin
This graph likes other graphs?
Agreed.
It’s not propaganda.
Just because you don’t think it’s funny doesn’t mean it isn’t a joke.
It is a joke, but in bad taste.
I’m one of the people who find offense in this.
I’m a Conservative Christian, but definitely not gay.
whats the difference between a christian and a conservative christian. do ya’ll use recycled bibles or something. i’m sorry i couldnt resist. but seriously whats the difference
same here, since when has being a christian been a bad thing? *sigh*
“same here, since when has being a christian been a bad thing? *sigh*”
Since the crusades, inquisitions, salem witch trials, holocaust, etc.
What don’t you people understand about the concept of “hypocrites”?
All of those that you listed are those who are being hypocritical, reading the Bible and interpreting it as they so desire, and seem to forget Exodus 20 “Thou shall not murder”.
Though I’m not quite sure I understand how you made the Holocaust connection. O.o
The Salem Witch Trials were a mistake mad out of stupidity, you got us. But I know the Crusades, and Inquisitions were Catholic. Most people who call themselves plain Christians are likely Protestant Christians (or closely related). Hitler may have been Roman Catholic but he obviously turned as pointed out in this quote:
Hitler once stated, “We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany.”
is any one gonna tell me what the difference is between the christians and conservative christians
Christian Conservatives are essentially Christians who hold Conservative political views. If a Christian lived in a Communist country, they wouldn’t necessarily be called Conservative.
pretty gay for christ, i’m sure.
1) If it’s not propaganda, then what is it?
2) A joke doesn’t have to be funny, it just has to have meaning beyond what is obvious. Ergo, unless this was meant sarcastically, it is not a joke.
3) EPIC FAILURE.
It was meant as sarcasm. And if you didn’t catch that, you’re probably retarded.
What it implies is that the Conservative Christians who bash gays are probably “closet-cases”, lashing out at people who have come out of the closet.
@ “AngryCat”
The word propaganda does not immediately imply untruth. Most christian homophobes are indeed closet homosexuals.
And you only don’t think it’s funny because you probably are one.
Have any references to back up your assertion? I assume by “christian homophobes” you mean Christians who believe that homosexual intercourse is a sin, and that it should remain illegal for members of the same sex to get married.
How about that being gay is not a choice, so they cover up the feelings they have no control over because their religion says that they won’t get into magical happy land by being themselves?
If gay people want to get married and be miserable like the rest of us, they should go for it.
Not to mention John Travolta…
glad you didnt
You’re right, forgot about him. It’s been a while since I seen that episode. Funny as hell though.
Sadly I give this a “not funny dude” out of five.Its lower than one
Maybe not, but very true. Here’s a bit of abstract:
“(…)the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli.(…) Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”
And the source:
Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?.
HE Adams, LW Wright, BA Lohr – Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1996
Sounds almost Freudian.
more like propaganistic; call people “gay” if they don;t agree with you…
Right, because obviously disliking gays proves you are secretly gay.
Just like people who dislike bugs are secretly bugs and people who dislike dogs and cats are secretly dogs and/or cats.
Makes perfect sense!
Think about it for a second. We’re not talking about disliking gays, nor are we talking about all people who dislike gays. But there has been evidence that shows that what Alcar says is true. If we presuppose that a
Whoops, accidentally hit add comment. Anyway, if we presuppose that a person can be gay regardless of whether or not he thinks it’s right (and you can think it’s wrong without being homophobic), the person who happens to be gay, and is raised believing that it is wrong, is going to absolutely despise that about himself, and so despise it in general. Does this mean that all homophobes are gay? No, but it does provide an explanation.
Well there’s your key phrase. “IF WE PRESUPPOSE”.
How about you try getting some actual EVIDENCE instead of “presupposing” all the time?
Certainly. I think we can agree that nonhuman animals are incapable of making such a lifestyle choice, right? Yet, there are numerous, documented incidences of nonhuman animals exhibiting CLEARLY homosexual behavior. Just one piece of evidence. And I will admit, the search for the cause of homosexuality is by no means over, though I will tell you that of all of the gay people I have known, ALL have said that it is not a choice that they made.
that’s cuz it’s not a choice…
It’s not a choice.
It’s not because you were born that way.
It’s all about the environment in which the individual was brought up in. If a person is “groomed” (most likely wrong word, but it serves it purpose) to be gay during their childhood, then they will only know of themselves as being gay and will become gay.
LOL! Robert, you’re a real card. That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen all night! Thanks for the laugh.
Robert, that argument is ridiculous and completely not supported by any psychological fact and disgregarded entirely by most everyone in the psychological profession. (With the exception of a small close minded few who should probably not be giving advice to ANYONE)
I’m a twin. I’m gay and my twin brother is straight. We had the same parents, had the same friends, went to the same school and classes, did the same things all throughout childhood. How does your theory hold up to that?
I suppose that explains why straight parents never have gay children too, right?… Oh wait, I guess they do.
I’m sorry but you kinda shot yourself in the foot there, if you’re a twin (I’m assuming identical) then you’ll have identical genetic profiles which means that if one of you is gay and one of you is straight, then genetics doesn’t solely account for homosexuality. However, you will have been shaped by your environment as well–no matter how similarly you were treated–which means it isn’t a choice from you.
In no way will encouraging people to be one or the other affect their true sexuality, only their outlook on how they ’should’ act which could cause all manners of psychological effects, in some cases this can manifest as homophobia.
You’re assuming identical, but Patrick didn’t say it. The vast majority of twins are fraternal, so unless Patrick reveals that he is an identical twin, that seems like a pretty stupid assumption to make.
I like gay people. They’re nice.
Even identical twins don’t have IDENTICAL genes. Otherwise, identical twins would have the same fingerprints, which they don’t.
Actually, they do, aside from maybe a couple of mutations. Fingerprints aren’t determined by genes, though; I suppose *having* them is, but the exact pattern is determined by other things (I don’t remember everything that goes into it, but if I remember correctly the amount of blood flow going to the fingers when they’re developing is part of it.) Sort of like how identical-twin animals don’t have exactly the same markings, because while the general pattern (i.e. stripes or spots or patches) is genetic, the exact markings are determined by body temperature, not genes.
But still, identical twins are very rare, so there’s no reason to assume Patrick is one unless he says so.
Actually, scientific research has been done that shows that sexuality is largely related to hormones in the womb. It is niether strictly nature nor nurture. Even identical twins can has different sexualities.
the patterning things bionelly is talking about, including fingerprints, have major, random factors that shape them. Even given identical genetic and environmental conditions, no two people would have identical fingerprints.
Just had to say… not even identical twins have identical genetics.
That’s a load! Let’s see…My mother and father, straight, married 45 years at this point. My teachers, straight. The movies I grew up watching, hmmm, no great man on man romances there during the 70’s and early 80’s. TV, again, VERY few gays. The vast majority were source of humor or dying of AIDS…there’s some role models to help “groom” me. All the love song’s on the radio, books in my school library, again…straight. Where exactly was I being ‘groomed’ to be gay again?
Ha. Good point!
Robert, you’re a riot! Rent “For the Bible Tells Me So” and then get back to us with your opinion on environmental influence.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0912583/
okay. um. i think what you meant robert is the nature vs. nurture. for example, a kid growing up in a violent household is more likely to become violent than i kid who grew up in a caring household. you arent born gay or violent(nature), you are raised gay or violent(nuture). or u converted.
corey: It is not a choice. I can’t choose to get aroused by a naked man, however a hot naked chick will arouse me. So this whole choice thing is stupid. It’s a genetic triat. Also the fact it’s found in animals is somewhat misguided. It’s found mostly in captivity where the females and males are separated.
I think you might be confused, because the not choice argument is was I was putting forward.
This isn’t a genetic trait. it’s as genetic as murder, thievery, etc.
Romans 1:21-27
” 21They know about God, but they don’t honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22They claim to be wise, but they are fools. 23They don’t worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles.
24So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. 25They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God’s creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen.
26God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.”
Obviously, homosexuality is more or less a curse of deranged thoughts. You aren’t born with it. And this issue isn’t new, either.
Well, of course, but the Bible is a very reliable source, despite what you may think, or what you would like to believe.
Please, roygbiv, tell me:
Where is my error in the above comment?
More importantly, where is the error in the Bible that makes me such laughable content?
Or has all the evolution crap evolved your rainbow skull so that its thickness can’t take in a simple truth?
Oh wait, that’d take BILLIONS OF YEARS. My bad.
Please do not spread your religious opinions like they are fact. Even if you get them from another source they are still opinions. Besides, isn’t being hateful against your religion? Love thy nieghbor and all that?
“My neighbor” doesn’t include evolution…
And whose to say evolution is fact?
When will you ever find the missing link?
When will you ever be able to predict the next evolutionary creature (what we’re going to evolve into)?
When will you be able to see that for every “supporting fact” for evolution and atheism, there’s at least one Bible verse shooting it down?
That’s why I believe these are more than opinions, they fit together too well and make too much sense.
That, and I don’t quite understand how they could be called opinion in the first place.
My thesis is this: Evolution is a lie, the Bible really did happen, and God wants you to come back and repent. He loves you, but hates the circumstances you refuse to break from. And I am trying to be like Him, hence the screen-name. He loves you like a Father, but hates your sin. Love-the-Sinner-hate-the-sin.
And I would like to apologize for being so rash, I don’t want to turn people away from Christianity, otherwise that would defeat the purpose of ever commenting.
Speaking of, it would seem as if most of the replies people made to my comments were deleted. Now it looks like I’m debating with my self. I look like such a weirdo… >.>
You believe in the cute Creation story because you’re too scared of losing your pointless faith in your god to look for anything else. Have fun being a sheep. And stop stealing our damn bible and calling it “Jesus’ word”.
ummm – yeah, I think you’ll find that the study that was cited actually provides some evidence (assuming it’s a genuine piece of work). You might not like it but there it is.
um…. first, there is hardly a scientific definition of “homophobic” … more to the point tho, “penile erection” is not strictly a function of sexual desire. So it’s not at all clear what the quoted text would even mean.
Penile erection exists to aid in sexual intercourse. It is true that it is not exclusively sexual, but the primary cause of an erection is sexual arousal or stimulation.
Or you have to pee so bad that the only way to hold is going erect!!!! You know it shuts that little valve…… Corey, seriously though this study was done for one purpose to bash those that are agains homosexuals. There was a hidden agenda in the study, and therefore the contents of said study porbably should not be taken into full context. Would oyu trust a tobacco company that did a study that tobacco doesn’t cause cancer?
Of course not, because there have been countless studies that say otherwise. Now, are you seriously proposing that all of the homophobes who got an erection desperately needed to pee?
you dont make sense.
I get what is being said, and it just doesn’t apply to gays. Look at most of these people who rail for/against certain things (racism, pedophilia, family values, religion), and not only rail for/against it, but putting it into anything they can get it into. Guaranteed 99% of those people are exactly the opposite of what they are preaching.
I think YOUR secretly gay!!
I think I want to hit you for not saying “YOU’RE”.
welcome to you’re “doom”
I prefer you’re Duke Nuke ‘em… I’m down with OPP!!!
I think we’ve found our first conservative christian.
Um… we’ve found our first *gay* conservative christian.
Lol you silly liberals.
as i said in my above comment, when has it been a bad thing to be a christian? I do understand that the catholic church is mostly corrupt and that the pope is just a political figure head, but just because the heads of that catholic church are d-bags, that doesn’t make all catholics d-bags also. Its like calling all Iranians evil just by looking at their dictator.
Thank you for pointing out that not all Catholics are NOT in lock-step with the leadership. Some of us have serious issues with the Church, Pedo-priests, and the snobbish attitudes of many Catholics.
Wow, I didn’t know this was a blog for people who hated moral people.
They’re not moral so it doesn’t count.
::applause::
What makes them not moral? I realize that there are the few hypocrites and con men but what about every body else?
they’re not talking about “every body else” in this graph…
What about Ant?
He’s the one who said, “theyāre not moral so it doesnāt count.”
Which I saw as referring to the same people who were referred to in the graph, i.e. hypocrites who condemn homosexuality while secretly carrying on homosexual affairs. No matter which side you’re on, those people aren’t moral, either because they are gay or because they foment hatred. I guess it could be referring to conservative Christians in general, but without more comments from Ant to demonstrate otherwise, it just seems seems more likely to me that it’s referring to hypocrites (who, after all, are the only ones who should be offended by the graph).
He seemed to be talking about ‘everyone else,’ I suppose. Yes, the hypocrites are not moral.
You and other religious people work endlessly to take away the rights of a minority for a reason they can’t change for no reason other than you think they’re “icky” or some vague statement from some 2000-old, self-contradicting book… and WE’RE the immoral ones?
yo buddy, don’t be playing the minority card. My kids muslim and hindu friends can pray in school, but he was suspended for it. The gays aren’t the only ones being persecuted. Those who claim christianity have done awful things in the past, no doubt about it. But we’re getting hit pretty hard too, we’re just not as public with our complaining.
Emphasis on CLAIM.
Just because there are a heck of a lot of “Christian” hypocrites doesn’t mean there aren’t any other religions/social groups with hypocrites in their numbers.
Jude 1:3-4
” 3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.”
To put it simply, Christianity is commonly misconcepted as the
” ‘repent’, live like a devil, and still go to heaven” religion. And then there are those who claim to be Christian if only to give it a bad name.
Also, J. T. , if I have cited my sources supporting my points, how bout you cite where the Bible contradicts?
Oh, and here come the site trolls to shoot me down with their hollow mockery… >.>
I come here to get a good laugh, and instead get involved in a debate about religion and gay rights. Gosh, I can’t get a break.
What’s funny is that Jews have adapted religious life to live in a modern world, where the Christians who stole our bible can’t seem to pay attention to the ORIGINAL thing.
Well, simple minded people, they never hated the person but shun the sin. We fought for rights and beliefs two hundred and thirty years ago and are still at it today. Unlike you we don’t want people to starve and work in the hands of tyrants and heretics.
you should get out of your cocoon more.
Sounds about right.
… in the Eye of Terror.
Thats not funny in the least bit. And its racist.
Christian Conservatives are their own, individual race now?
No they do not.
The graph is ’species-ist’ however.
It is clearly Anti-cat.
(cats aren’t the only species that can pee in your closet- see Ferrets)
Amend:
No they *ARE* not
See Rabbits, Dogs, drunk roommates……
I am the creator of the “THINGS YOU FIND A IN A CLOSET” graph. I in no way intended to suggest that a good portion of Christian conservatives are closeted gays. In all fairness, I think the majority of you have been victimized by slippery floors in men’s bathrooms. Accidently slipping and falling mouth first on a penis is traumatic enough without me adding insult to injury, so my humblest apologies to those of you who took offense.
lolz
lol
*win*
if hating jews is racist than so is hating christians
Hating Jews isn’t racist, it’s anti-semitic. And that’s really only if you hate them for actually -being- Jews. If you dislike some of their beliefs, I wouldn’t call that anti-semitic.
Same goes for Christians. If you hate the entire community solely because of the fact that they’re Christians, that’sā¦ I’m not sure if there’s a specific word for it, so I’ll just say “prejudiced”. Disliking some of their beliefs because they’re kinda hypocritical and self-righteous isn’t.
But judging the whole group b/c of those “beliefs” (which not all have) is ok?
we all have beliefs. some believe in not believing
You’re an idiot.
You can’t have RACISM without RACE being the issue at hand. I won’t go into it further because GB already covered it so concisely, just putting in my $.02
This graph is horrible.
yeah, but haters seem to like it
this graph is an win, absolutely hilarious – and true to boot. it’s not saying that ALL christian conservatives are in-the-closet anti-gays… just that there ARE christian conservatives in-the-closet anti-gays out there (and it’s saying so in a funny way
I ain’t going into whether it’s true or not, but it’s definitely a funny graph. It just has this great “badoomboom” punchline.
By the way, my closet is more purple than that.
I agree, I thought it was hilarious.
Agreed! Made me laugh.
Apparently, it’s all well and good until the graph targets YOU.
Common people, I lol at the ones that target me. You can’t laugh at everyone else and not laugh at yourself. It you’re gonna dish it out, you gotta take it.
It’s not just Christian Conservatives… but people feel they have to bash Christians, and Conservatives… Just because “it’s cool”.
Fundamentalism is the problem… Not Christians or Conservatives. When people ask “Why do you bash Christians?” they point to some Fundamentalist Christians and try to make ALL Christians that way… Same with Conservatives.
All Fundamentalist are bad. Fundamentalist (Christian, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Conservatives, Liberals) are all bad.
Maybe, but it’s only the conservative theists that try to infringe on my rights and freedoms, try to get their dogma taught as fact, try to force their ideas on everyone else and generally annoy me.
None of the other combinations (liberal theist, conservative atheist, liberal atheist) do that. Hindus are to small a minority to have any real impact here, same for buddhists and most other religions.
So, I’d say my reasons for bashing conservative christians (and muslims and jews) are pretty good.
I’m a Christian conservative and I support gay rights.
To further screw up the stereotypes, what about us gay atheists who are against the “gay rights” nonsense?
(Note for the confused: Equal rights for all does not mean special rights for gays.)
you, sir, win.
Why are you against WATERMELONS?
Not watermelons, watermelonists. Green on the outside, red on the inside. They preach that their computer games have predicted we’ll all melt unless we wreck our economy and start the umpteenth failed attempt to create a communist paradise.
Wouldn’t that make you an Anti-Watermelonist-ist?
Yes.
Strictly speaking, yes, but it would sound like stuttering.
I was under the impression that the Gay Rights Movement was fighting for equal rights, much in the same way that the Civil Rights Movement fought for equal rights for black people.
No, the very term “gay rights” defines special rights specific to gay people.
The civil rights movement started with the idea of bringing equal rights to all people, not just “black” people. Unfortunately, once the major laws were in place to protect the rights of all people, race-hustlers like Jesse Jackson and rent-seekers like the ACLU corrupted the concept of equal rights for all, and turned it into creating special rights for certain groups.
The fact that the gov’t has wrongly granted a few special rights to some certain groups doesn’t justify creating special rights for other limited groups.
Equal rights means equal rights for all, not just for certain protected classes.
I disagree with you, sir. Gay people can’t help but be gay – it’s the way god made them. As the above poster mentioned it’s common behavior for any of god’s creatures to fully explore the joys of the world that they were given to experience. We should not deny them the love and dignity they deserve merely because they don’t find the same joys we do.
Even our constitution says it quite well: “all men are created equally” and gay people are no different in the eyes of god than straight people, it’s not just unconstitutional to stand in the way of somebody’s right to pursue happiness just because they’re a little queer, it’s downright evil.
This isn’t about race or rights or sex. It’s about happiness and equality under the law.
Which federal laws stand in the way of gay people’s pursuit of happiness?
Which federal laws discriminate specifically against gay people? (Note: This is a semi-trick question. Special rights being conferred upon another limited group is not discrimination solely against gay people.)
I know people who are married, but the government isn’t involved.
If adultery isn’t illegal, I don’t see what point there is to bringing the government into marriage.
You have a point. I wouldn’t say that they are “married” since the definition implies that they are recognized by law, but they certainly have devoted themselves to each other anyway.
Not that I’m saying this is particularly biblical, but neither are a lot of things that the government can’t say anything about. I choose to live my life as I believe God wants me to, but what do I care what other people do, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else?
And those special rights are things like affirmative action policies, right?
Or the liberals in CA who voted against Gay MArriage……… but they don’t count.
Then you, sir, are not a Christian.
1 Corinthians 6:9
And WHAT part of that comment makes him unChristian? I, too, am a Christian conservative and support gay rights. Two reasons: Matthew 7:1, and the fact we Christians are commanded to love all of God’s people. Discriminating against anyone is not following that command, and I see fighting for everyone to have equal rights as following it.
Well, I must say that it was slightly rash for me to say that, but, according to 1 Corinthians 6:9, it IS A SIN TO BE HOMOSEXUAL.
And we are supposed to love all people, but that doesn’t mean we have to fit their sinful desires. Again, read 1 Corinthians 6:9, and tell me that doesn’t condemn homosexuality.
You say equal rights? What? Homosexuality shouldn’t have its equal rights, unless thieves can have the freedom to continue stealing because everyone needs “equal rights”.
In case you haven’t pickeds up on what I’m trying to say, We ARE supposed to love all people, but we can’t let their sin be an exception. We can’t say:
CHURCH PERSON:”Oh, thank you for accepting Christ, Mr. Rapist. What’re ya gona do after church?”
MR. RAPIST :”Oh, probably go into some alley where some 17 year old girl is and…y’know… heheh…”
CHURCH PERSON:”Ok, Mr. Rapist, have fun!”
See something wrong with this? The Church Person is accommodating Christianity to fit Mr. Rapist, but Mr. R isn’t really saved. The same goes for Homosexuality. Because, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN.
Wait, wait, wait… I just realized I may be about to try to hold a FAILargument. I need situation clarification here. Okay, read this though fully before responding, please! One of my best friends is a Conservative Christian, who has also come to the realization that she likes girls. Because she holds that acting on homosexuality is the sin, she plans to stay celibate and single her whole life. But when asked, she does identify herself as Lesbian. Are you saying that by existing, she is a sin? (I’m sorry, but that’s what it sounds like.)
She can’t change that she has no desire to be with a guy. She’s not trying to make Christianity fit herself. Considering it all, I don’t see why she should not have the same rights I do. After all, since she plans to stay single anyway, she could have just never told anyone; we’d never have known and she would have had those same rights.
Jesus said you may only have ne master: Money or Him. In this case, let’s replace money with lesbianism. I really think you either made this up (but you’re probably better than that) or she has given up all hope on the situation. All sins can be overcome. If this woman exists, she CAN become straight.
Besides, we wouldn’t know it, but God WOULD. That’s the only reason I’m here, not cuz I hate gays or anything, I’m concerned for them.
Um, the art where I quoted Scripture that condemns homosexuality.
Oh wait, I already responded to what you said before. See my previous reply to you. That explains all.
Whoops, nvm.
I thought I hadn’t replied but I had. lol.
Yay! Smack ‘em down! Call it BS when it IS BS.
Alcar, It sounds to me like you’re completely stereotyping and generalizing. For example, I’m a Christian and a conservative and I never try to force my ideas on anyone else, ever.
And “liberal atheists” don’t try to force their beliefs down your throat? Are you kidding me? Sure, not all of them do, but I know plenty of people who fit in that category who are always trying to convince me that there isn’t a God and that Republicans suck or whatever.
You are trying to fit people into one category or another, and society just doesn’t work that way. Your reasons for bashing people are hypocritical and you are just making excuses to hate.
What I find funny is your both saying the same thing and calling each other incorrect.
How are we saying the same thing?
republicans do suck though
and democrats swallow
Both true. So who do we vote for?
Happycat for president
but im a christian not a conservative gay basher and i make fun of them cause its true….
Of course I’m generalising, it’s the internet and I don’t much feel like saying “The majority, but by no means every single member of the mentioned group occasionally does…” with every line.
Also, i’m not really talking individuals, i’m talking about groups and organisations, political parties etc.
Also, I’d love to hear you opinion on the other things I mentioned, such at teaching dogma as fact and infringing on rights.
They don’t do that. Thats just a fact of life, and their taught not to. Simple as that.
lol.
So, the whole creationsism movement is a figment of my imagination?
No, they didn’t have high powered telescopes and quantum physics, the book of Genisis is like Greek or Norse mythology. It’s the meaning behind the story that counts.
Yeah sort of like the universe just formed on its own. (playing devils advocate). When a sceinctists can prove that the universe compacted on it’s own, and matter was made out of nothing, I’ll gladly relent the whole God/ Higher Being existence.
God created the universe by his will but through stuff like quantum physics and the like. BTW I have seen some facinating stuff about quantum physics on the Sience Chanel. I would suggest watching it, or serch YouTube.
That is actually precisely what I believe, but I would be very uncomfortable with it being taught in a science class. I feel like science class should be for the things that have actual scientific evidence behind them; I believe that God was the cause of it all, but I can’t point to anything concrete and say “this is the evidence that supports that”. I do think that God’s part should be taught, but it should be in a philosophy or religion class, not a science class.
You’re cool ^_^
The burden of proof is on the Christian creationists, not the scientists. Where is there evidence of God’s hand in the creation of our universe? Give us scientifically sound evidence, and you will be taken seriously. Until then, if we are concerned with teaching our children reality, the theory of evolution (including the evidence used to support it and the flaws and gaps of it) needs to be taught in a science class room, and creationism can be taught to the Christian kids in Sunday school. There are some amazing evolutionary biologists who are also Catholic, religion and science are not mutually exclusive.
That is something that we must strive to find. It seems we need something more material than miricles and/or archeological finds to support that. And yes, creationism AND theory of evolution should be taught to our kids.
I don’t think we must strive to find it. I think some things are better left in mystery. Whether it was the hand of God or a big, happy accident (the latter is pretty miraculous in and of itself imho) makes no difference to me and will not have a bearing on how I live my life, or on who I love. If there is a God, He wants me to be happy.
You’re cool
Thanks, Sigma. So are you.
my opinions don’t matter. I’m not fighting specific opinions on specific subjects, I’m trying to defend Christianity from your wild generalizations. Just because you’ll meet a few crazy Bible throwers in your life doesn’t mean we all shove “dogma” down your throat. And infringing on rights? What could you be referring to that again, isn’t generalizing and is accurate with evidence? Your problem is that you’re associating two things that are unrelated. Just because people present you with two things: “I’m Christian and I do not support gay marriage”, does not mean that they are always interchangeable or related at all.
oooooh snap
Wait, what? Liberal atheists don’t force ideas down people’s throats? 60% of them do nothing but cram their ideology down everyone else’s throat on an almost daily basis, at a rate much higher than the other three groups combined.
Yes, they MAKE ARGUMENTS! They USE WORDS TO TRY TO PERSUADE OTHERS TO AGREE WITH THEM!
HOW HORRIBLE! THEY’RE JUST LIKE NAZIS!
…idiot.
Perfect example of what I’m talking about.
There’s persuasion based upon experience and scientific evidence, allowing you to make up your own mind, and then there’s … the other stuff.
You can be just as obnoxious waving scientific studies in people’s faces as you would be waving a big Bible.
Either way, it’s being pushy and annoying. There are atheists out there who act very much like fundamentalists do.
It’s not religion. It’s just the human tendency to want to prove yourself right and everybody else stupid. Until you get rid of that, it doesn’t matter what you believe–polite dialogue and agree-to-disagree coexistence will be impossible.
There’s a difference between being pushy/annoying and getting laws amended so that everyone has to adhere to the beliefs set up by your religion.
I’m agree that there are fundamental atheists out there who go too far sometimes, but they’re nowhere near as mainstream as all the bible-thumpers trying to push their Christian agenda.
On that note, part of the problem is the emphasis on proselytizing in Christianity (it’s discouraged in Judaism and Islam), because many Christians are taught that part of their religion is not only following their beliefs, but trying to guide their neighbors into following those beliefs as well. This makes it not only an issue of proving themselves right, but to “saving the souls” of all their fellow countrymen by ensuring that law mirrors their religious beliefs.
Muslim countries not making federal laws based on religion? You might want to research that. Laws are amended by “science” on a regualr basis… Emission standards, smoking in federal buildings (though it wouldn’t be that difficult to make smoking rooms with separate ventilation), no religious symbols in federal buildings (not necarily a law as is policy), smoking tax, fat tax, luxury taxes (Tax laws are amended so laws are amended), etc…. I can go on, but I think I’ve made my point.
Unless I’m mistaken, and I could be, Muslim countries are set up as religious states, and the religious laws set up there are supposed to reflect the whole of their society. Not the separation of church and state we have here. But that wasn’t the point anyway. The point was about trying to convert everyone else to your way of thinking, by force if need be.
I never said there weren’t any laws based on science; I would think that even religious people would recognize the merit in reducing pollution. I see your point on outlawing religious symbols in federal buildings, but that came about because of the Constitutional separation of church and state.
My point was simply this: no one is trying to legislate so that it is against the law to be religious in public.
Now that someone has invoked Nazis, doesn’t that mean this whole thread is done? Or is that too old-school?
Not until we get a 50 Hitler post
You’re either confusing secular ideal for atheists ones (I don’t know anyone with atheistic ideals), or you need to find other friends.
What about my right to punch you in the face?
Oops meant to post that with this ID
wow, captain planets alter ego is actually an agressive redneck! who’d have thought it?
…well CP did have a mullet.
You have the right to do whatever you want with your body, so long as it doesn’t infringe on MY right to NOT be punched in the face. Your rights end where I begin.
You know what I really, really hate? Christians who say “Only Christians can be good people”. Hell (sorry), saying that already makes them -lesser- people than the atheist/Muslim/Pastafarian they’re talking to.
Those are the ones that make the good people look bad. >_<
…I’ve actually never heard anyone say that. But they’re wrong. Being Christian has nothing to do with being “good”.
There are religions that acknowledge the fact that people are human and everyone sins.
…Like Christianity when it is taught right?
You’ve never heard the argument that atheists can’t be moral because they don’t believe in god? You either need to get out more or stay in more, it could be either depending on your latitude.
You know, if it bothers you that people keep lumping you in with the fundamentalists, perhaps you should try, you know, expending some of the energy you use whining about it on actually opposing their attempts to legislate their kooky religious beliefs.
Just sayin’.
Azkyroth, you’re assuming that we haven’t. Which, I can only speak for myself, I have. I have spent plenty of energy trying to convince my parents, and other conservatives, (we’re Californian) that voting against homosexuality is dumb, so I don’t really see what your point is.
Also, your comment about liberals using words to make a point: no one is saying that that is wrong. We’re saying that Alcar is being hypocritical by trying to say that only conservatives try to persuade others to believe what they do. So thank you for making our point even more obvious, and agreeing with us.
“attempts to legislate their kooky religious beliefs”
You mean like trying to shove anthropogenic “global warming” legislation through before anybody notices we seem to be missing summer this year?
Global warming doesn’t mean everywhere is going to get hotter all the time. England, for one, will probably get cooler thanks to the faltering jet stream.
Also, one of these things is backed by a large majority of the scientific community and has been held up to a number of studies. One is based on some words in a 1,600-year-old book. They are not the same.
So global warming isn’t global and isn’t warming? Would that make it normal effin’ local weather, maybe?
One person’s imaginary “scientific community” pursuing an unfounded belief based on computer games is another person’s religious cult.
Unfounded beliefs, whether 2,000 years old or 10 years old, are the same, they’re illogical and they’re not science.
Global refers to the average temperature of the whole world. If you get an F and everyone else in the class gets an A, your class is, on average, doing quite well even if you sure as hell aren’t.
I can talk to scientists and see the experiments they’ve conducted and look at the data they’ve collected. Can you do that with god? No. They’re not the same.
I’m willing to bet that those were the actual grade results.
Computer games claiming to predict weather 100 years hence aren’t experiments, they’re fictional stories.
Sarah: As I said earlier when sceicne can prove that the matter compacted itself and also created itself to be compacted I will relent there is no God/ Diety that created things, or at least started things.
Let’s look at global warming for a second. We’ve studied the Earth’s temperature accurately for around 100 years. The EArth is about 4.5 Billion Years old, so we’re looking at a trend over .00001% of the life of the Earth. Since the average life span of a ale American is 76 years old, if I were to spend 4 minutes with the guy I could predict exactly what was going on in his life? I find that hard to beleive, sorry… science is great I believe in it for many things, but the fact that it must answer everything, and too many people use it as a means to debunk religions, push legislature, etc, I find it too can be as hazardous to ones health of religious fanatics.
“Weāve studied the Earthās temperature accurately for around 100 years. The EArth is about 4.5 Billion Years old, so weāre looking at a trend over .00001% of the life of the Earth.”
The temperature, as recorded by man-made devices, is only one of many things that scientists have looked at. The aggregate data have been recorded for a lot longer than 100 years, just not necessarily directly by humans.
Fear not, scientists regularly castigate themselves and each other over baseless extrapolation. Your concern has doubtlessly been offered and rebutted, hopefully before peer review was initiated, and certainly once it was underway.
I believe in God, and I believe His track record does include letting us screw things up to the point where attitude adjustment was meted on a global scale. Who was on “the correct side” when that happened, those who had tried to warn others that we were going too far and ought to reign things in a bit, or those who said the first group were just silly alarmists and we can all just keep doing what we’re doing? Do you exclude the possibility that the words of a scientist are a manifestation of God’s will?
Completely agree with your last paragraph, domordevar.
It doesn’t matter whether it’s a scientist’s experiment or a priest’s observation. The universe works the same way no matter who or what controls it.
For example, gravity could be the attraction of matter to other matter (whether governed by a higher being or not) or it could be God’s will simply pushing everything towards each other. Either way, I can still express the attraction numerically with (GMm)/(R^2), the Universal Law of Gravity.
Call ‘apples and oranges’ all you want, they fulfill the exact same purpose. Namely, being delicious.
Maybe this graph would have gotten better reception if they didn’t specify Christians. Maybe just “conservatives who rail against gay rights”.
So what exactly is a ‘fundamentalist Liberal’? Someone who is obsessed with equality, education and an open- minded environment? Ooooooh, evil!
hear hear.
This graph is pretty darn accurate.
Abbout as accurate as your logic, I might add.
Well, I guess anti-religious bigotry is A-OK, though.
I wonder what they do with homosexuals in Islamic-run countries.
I think the satire of the graph applies to our culture (western culture.) If we focus on our problems and let other cultures address their own problems everything will work much more smoothly. That’s the concept that the religious right and conservatives in general have such difficulty grasping – mind your own business.
haha, yes, let’s mind our own business all the time, huh?
So in 1940’s, when hundreds of Jews were being marched into death camps and killed in masses, you support that?
hundreds?
… at a time.
Godwin’s Law.
WIN!
Fail. Using a stupid internet fad as an excuse to not answer my question!
Humor fail.
BLAH BLAH MY GROUP IS BETTER THAN YOUR GROUP BLAH BLAH YOU’RE SO JUDGMENTAL BUT WHEN I JUDGE YOU TOO I’M NOT JUDGMENTAL I’M JUST BEING FUNNY HA HA HA HA HA someone love me please?
very true
Mwah.
I love you.
You love me.
Were great friends as friends can be.
Haha. This is hilarious. I’m a Christian and laugh it. Some people need to lighten up. Where Christianity is corrupt and wrong, what’s wrong with bashing it? Of course the creator of this graph didn’t mean every conservative Christian. Its an exaggeration. That’s what makes it so funny.
This!
You say you are a Christian and then say it’s corrupt and wrong…
There are many churches that follow their views of what the Bible says. Some churches welcome homosexuality, and even have gay priests and pastors. Many accept evolution. By putting every Christian in the same boat as the extremists and fundamentalism you are doing damage to the whole.
This graph would be better if the last bit would of been:
“Hypocrites that rally against gay rights.”
Reading isn’t your strongest skill, is it?
Obviously not *rolls eyes*
Methinks Christians who can’t cope with jokes about their faith should have a good, hard look at themselves and wonder if their faith is actually that strong. Because they seem to be afraid that jokes like that might diminish it somehow.
Sort of like how woman jokes piss off feminists, or racist jokes piss of the minority. Yeah people need thick skin…….. wonder if this post was against some minority or liberal agenda how the raving lunatics would be out.
but it’s not, and they are.
Wow, what a craptacular answer. Instead of searching your own selves for the hypocrisy you spew, you just dismiss things. Wow truely enlightened. I at least can admit my hypocrisies. Oh and I’m not religious either.
Agreed.
*Where* Christianity is corrupt and wrong. As in, it isn’t all corrupt or wrong, but some parts are, and it should be acceptable to bash those parts.
And given that pretty much all of the hypocrites who have rallied aginst gay rights and then been shown to be gay themselves that I can think of were conservative Christians, I really think it’s fine the way it is (and I am a Christian, although I’m not a conservative and I support gay rights.)
Wait, you’re calling US hypocrites?
Gay SHOULDN’T have rights. That is the equivalent of A law allowing murder.
The churches who accept evolution obviously lack knowledge/common sense regarding Genesis. And YOU obviously lack common sense regarding the epistles. To quote our good friend the apostle Paul:
“6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospelā 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” -Galatians 1:6-9
Oh, and by “eternally condemned”, he means “let them be damned” or “let them burn in Hell for eternity”. Those phrases seem to be rather overused around here…
And if you were going to reply with “There’s nowhere in the Bible where it says homosexuality is wrong”… Again, I quote Paul:
“9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor HOMOSEXUAL offenders…” -1 Corinthians 6:9
Just to make it obvious, I put that word in CAPS.
How the hell is loving someone like murder? Honestly, what would allowing gays to marry do to you? Sure, you could argue that they could be together anyway, but if you fell in love with the opposite sex, wouldn’t you want the honor of marrying that person? Wouldn’t you want the honor of saying that you love that person so much you are willing to tie yourself to him/her legally forever? Why deny someone that right?
Both murder and GAY loving are sins.
It wouldn’t do anything to me, it’d just send them to Hell when the time comes. And that bothers me that I didn’t try to stop it.
I want to deny someone that right so that it’d be a little bit harder for them to sin in that matter. Also, I don’t love my own gender. Even if I did, I would slap myself and pray for deliverance. But then again, most likely you don’t suddenly switch from loving girls to guys. There are probably some in-between steps that lead to it that can be ignored. And there’s definitely a way out of it. So it’s not a right, it’s sin. Or “wrong”, since no one here likes the word “sin”.
It isn’t a sin. They aren’t horrible people for doing what a book says they shouldn’t their actions are far from wrong. I have gay relatives, and they are raising a beautiful, sweet, loved little boy. How can people like that be sinners? People don’t go to hell for loving.
They are sinning, by disobeying. The not only disobey God, but also the laws of nature that He put into place. The aren’t “loving” as much as they are “lusting”. And even worse, lusting after their own sex. People go to Hell for lusting, not loving.
Even still, if they were straight, but not Christian, they would go to Hell.
And just because you say it isn’t a sin, am I to believe you?
You are an official twat.
There are plenty of nice, open minded christians posting and you just have to go and ruin it for them by acting like a complete wanker.
You’re really annoying.
I think I agree with you, but the whole ‘quoting-the-bible’ thing just bored me so I couldn’t finish reading it.
You forgot to add ‘Narnia’.
Aww man that’s what I was gonna say. =(
That would’ve actually been funny.
I love that series.
I interpreted that last category to mean Christians (or it could be anyone) who are actually gay but pretend not to be and bash those who are gay in part to hide the fact that they are gay. One good example is Ted Haggard, the Colorado pastor who was vehemently anti-gay but had a relationship with a gay-male prostitute for several years. The bottom line for this graph is hypocrisy, not bigotry or anti-religious sentiment.
for fun, look for the song “Ted haggard is completely heterosexual” on youtube
Thank you. Not that the ones who needed this clarification will understand, or even be willing to try.
Let the christian bitch fest begin…
I hear Ultramarines marching this way….
The irony of typical U.S. christian dogma is that it’s the easiest to access. In other words, it’s all most people have been exposed to. It’s been pounded into people’s minds that christianity is the only answer, and most people are too lazy or disinterested to seek out other forms of “spirituality.”
I sought out Atheism. Works for me!
same here! they lost me when i realized i did’nt like all the rules, they cant possibly aply in all situations and i like testing things out more than taking things on faith. but ill leave those of you who do to ponder your Gods and pantheons and deamons (and possibly unicorns or cthulu)
Heh…unicorns and cthulhu…very funny.
I had to Google cthulhu, very interesting; I’ll add that to my repetoire for when I want to bash some more hypocritical, judgmental, ignorant, sheeple who want to decide the best way for me to live.
You forgot fairies and the flying ’sketti monster.
your right he ’sketti monster is all powerfull, and that wasent a bash.
The rules bend depending on the situatio. It’s that misconception that makes people think Christians are not ‘logical.’
I didn’t, but it was kind of the natural destination.
I’m an anti-theist. That is, I don’t wish were true that there would be some double-speaking hypocrite up above who will condemn me if I don’t agree to submit.
Its a FAIL-FAIL situation for you!
…dunce.
Also, I’d just like to add that some “Christian” conservatives who rail against gay rights are not Christian and they certainly shouldn’t label themselves as such. Anyone willing to hold a sign up that says “God hates Gays” is offending more than anyone, not gay people, but real Christians like ME who believe God doesn’t hate ANYONE.
My point is that people who aren’t acting as Christians shouldn’t advertise their faith at all, because it’s hypocritical, and forces people to judge us and believe that we all hate gay people, which is certainly not true at all. Stop using God as an excuse to hate.
Thanks Rafi,
I didn’t mean that those people aren’t Christians, I simply meant some of them may not be. Just because they call themselves Christians doesn’t mean they believe in Jesus as their Savior, and they may just be using Christianity as an excuse. Hence my use of the word, “some” people. And if they are true Christians, then they still offend me, that they would turn my God into a platform for hate.
The Christians who believe homosexuality is wrong, but don’t go to the extreme, don’t offend me at all, and to a certain degree, I agree with them. I believe that this country was based on religious freedom, but the extremists are representing Christianity all wrong.
My brother says it more eloquently than I do: “Homosexual behavior is not right with the Bible. Neither are a lot of other behaviors that don’t seem to offend anyone. All sorts of things that aren’t right, the government has no right to ban.”
make another god then. aloso you have to remember peoples belifes and morals are entirely based on how they live, etc. therefore most things people say seem compleetly logical to them and you proboly cant convince them otherwise as they see it as truth. just as i dont belive in god you do and i will never be able to make you stop, your belife dosent harm me and the best i can do is keep it from doing so. this is the same relationship we must have with most people we disagree with.
Understandable and I’m glad you feel that way.
Actually, the Founding Fathers voted to not put it into our Constitution that the USA will follow Jesus Christ (it’s a little known fact. I only know it because I came across a scholarly article that quoted Thomas Jefferson stating this when I was doing a presentation on Church and State. I would put the entire quote but it took me months to find that article and my report and bibliography are now lost thanks to my Window’s computer crashing randomly)…that makes me think that they did not mean to found the country on religion, or at least not on one religion. They wanted to be free from persecution, mainly religious persecution, but also from racial persecution. This country was founded on freedom for various lifestyles. Also, we could go on about how references to homosexuality in the Bible can be explained by human interference with some of the laws and a huge mistranslation, but that’s for another argument. Even if I am misinterpreting that one quote, the far right wing extremists who seem to thrive on the media are doing a very poor job or being the Christian’s politicians…
Sorry about that rant, I’ve been in a ranting mood. Don’t feel obligated to respond to it because it’s something that I’m actually still thinking about and rationalizing. I’m glad though that you and your brother realize that the government can’t ban something because of a set of beliefs of what is wrong based solely on religion. It’s a breath of fresh air to hear a Christian who realizes that not everyone believes the same thing speaking up for themselves.
i agree, however i feel people should not have to realize that other humans should be treated equaly, regardless of race, age, gender, or sex prefrences, but solely by how they act. i agree with both of you and would go a bit farther and say that people should be able to belive/do what they want unless it is hurting someone else, or hurting themselve in irriverseble ways. for instance just because something i beliave contradicts your belifes or freedom i shouldent try to force it on you, however if my neibor decided to fire weapons in my neiborhood i should be able to legaly prevent it.
there see, no bashing, and to everyone out there who does there are other more constructive ways of presenting your belifes and views besides attacking someone with them, when you do that they tend not to listen anyways and simply atack back.
Jes, you should join my Space Marine Chapter.
lol
you lost me on that one.
i belive he was being sarcastic space marines are religios zealots
I was not being sarcastic at all, just trying to have fun
Jes: Sigma is what we call a Table Top War Gamer. His game of choice is Warhammer 40K. Drink of choice Starbucks Iced Mochachino or Red Bull, food of choice Fast and Greasey, music of choice Metal. As opposed to other “geeks” who are online gamers. Games of Choice WoW, drink of choice Mountain Dews or Venom, food of choice Anything from the Microwave, Music of choice Lord of the Rings soundtrack.
And the Space Marines are somewhat religious zealots, but pretty much every army in the game is. Hence the wars.
1) You *almost* got everything; I don’t drink coffee, and Red Bull is not my favorite beverage. I also try to stray away from fast and greasy (it’s not good for working out).
2) Which are you?
WHF or Warmachine….
Cool ^_^
Well, you DO follow Him, but you also must follow His commands in order to follow Him in the first place.
Jesus Himself said so in John 14:23-24
“23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.”
If one claims that God hates homosexuals, he is disobeying God’s teaching, and therefore does not love God.
Again Gays do not deserve rights, for homosexuality (gosh typing that word is getting old) is sin.
And again, I quote:
“9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders” -1 Corinthians 6:9
So, technically, they AREN’T Christians. Just another category of hypocrites.
[this guy is awsoooooome] o.o
Who said I was the one making the rules? Are you also the type who blames the Police officer for the ticket?
I’m only quoting what “God” (ahem) said.
Also, if this creates hatred, it would be toward either me or God. He himself said such things would happen, and said that was a good thing for us to be persecuted in His name. So really, you’re doing more good to me than you are hurting me.
See what I said about this “fairy tale book” in response to “truth be told” and it’s being “written by men”.
Also, you can’t talk about easily manipulated. You Darwin-folk believe we evolved from monkeys, which evolved from bird, then reptiles, amphibians, etc. (Probably got the order wrong anyways) all the way to micro-organisms which came into being upon chance. And also the fact that, by chance, a large explosion occurred causing the Earth to be placed at the exact distance from the sun where it could sustain life. It also was given plenty of other things necessary for life. Oh, for example, the composition of the atmosphere. Just enough oxygen to keep us breathing, and not so much that something explodes every time you light a match. In fact, the trees, CONVENIENTLY, “breathe” (for lack of a better word) what we exhale, and give off what we inhale.
Isn’t this world such a convenient little accident? A wondrous coincidence?
I’m sure you think it is. Merely so that you may say to yourself “Oh, having sex with someone other than my wife is ok. After all, it’s not illegal or anything.” You have to convince yourself this so that you would be able to ignore the huge guilt you’d have even a few minutes after. Or rather, if your conscience hasn’t burned out from all your sin yet. (BTW, this is a complete scenario. I do not believe you would cheat, but maybe I’m expecting too much out of you. My point is, you deny Christianity because it means pertaining some moral responsibility.)
Oh. My. Non-existent. God.
Stop quoting the (non-existent)GODDAMN BIBLE, that book made of potentially soft toilet paper has more fiction in it than my favorite Harry Potter book.
Really — stop it. Nobody except the christians here with the same views as you here will give a sheyat on what you quote.
Small disagreement with you here: if Gays do not deserve rights because they are sinners, than no human does. To quote Romans 3:23 “For ALL HAVE SINNED and fall short of the glory of God” And Romans 3:10 “There is no one righteous, not even one”.
So either we all deserve our rights, or none of us do.
Other than that, you are awesome, and I completely agree with both the beginning of this comment and many other the others you have made.
Ooh, your good.
However, there are two different types of rights you are referring to. One is the rights in the Bill of Rights, which we may not deserve, but God gave it to us anyways. This MIGHT be because the B-o-R involves the freedom of religion. Also it would be hard to survive if the government didn’t give us any rights at all, we’d either be dead or in jail. Most of these rights do not go against God’s word.
But the other type of rights, which you are proposing, is different entirely. This goes against God’s Word, and thus should not be legal. This would be like making two wrongs into a right (no pun intended). It’s true we don’t deserve our rights, but first, that’s called GRACE; second, gay rights would legalize a sin.
Okay, I am about to feel very dirty here, because while I believe that what I’m about to say is true, it doesn’t mean I like it.
“This goes against Godās Word, and thus should not be legal” As much as I’d like to agree with that statement, there is a MAJOR problem with it. We live in America. (Or at least I do, and I am presuming you do.) We have the separation of Religion and Government here. No matter what the True Law says, the state CAN NOT take that into account when making our government’s laws… And while Christianity says that Homosexuality is wrong, some other religions do not, in fact there are those that accept and even encourage it. The state MUST take this into account when deciding people’s legal rights. Thus the government should allow gays to– well, not marry, since I hold that marriage is religious ceremony only, and government should get it’s neck out of it– have civil unions or the like, and give them equal rights with straight people. You have to remember that as much as you might want it to be otherwise, America is NOT a Christian nation.
*shudder* Now I really do feel dirty.
Well, I know that. What I mean is, we Christian conservatives/ anyone else who doesn’t agree with it should do whatever possible/legal to stop it.
Which is the only reason we “rail” against it. It’s the only thing we can do with the Democrats so heavily crushing us. Please, I don’t want to go into politics. I’m just stating why we rail against gay rights.
LSHS, I have been following you throughout, and I cannot keep silent anymore. There are many things I could say, but I feel this is most important. This railing you speak of, this insistent political action which you say is so necessary is inconsistent with the teachings and actions of Jesus. One author that has been particularly informative for me is Gregory A. Boyd, who’s book “The Myth of a Christian Nation” directly addresses the issues of Christians using political power. We can debate that further if you like, but that is all I will say now.
You also seem to have an immense burden for those you see as sinners. However, even you seem aware that your method is not the most effective, and it certainly isn’t Jesus’ method. Smacking people around with scripture isn’t even effective when addressing fellow Christians. Those who do not agree with the Bible at all (i.e. non-Christians) cannot be reasoned with using only Scripture passages. They cannot see past the lies and the violence they have encountered from poor examples. If you really want to change the hearts and minds of, particularly, homosexuals, then implore you to get to know gay persons, become friends, form a community; then when you are like family, you can begin to work God’s mission in their lives. This is Jesus’ method. He ate with everybody (a big deal in his culture… like welcoming them into your family), both ’sinners’ and members of the religious establishment, as well as everybody in between. And then, when he had welcomed them, did they begin to follow him. I promise you that this method will make you feel much better, and you will really see God work change.
You make a valid point, but I should point out that the Church back then, being run by humans and all, got its nose into the business of national governments and messed things up. This does not mean that nations should shun the teachings of God/Yaweh/Allah/whatevertheheckyoubelieve. In fact, the Founding Fathers were for the most part Christians and believed in the righteousness of their mission. I just wanted to point that out is all
How do you know what god thinks, ass hat? Your Sunday school teacher must have held you back a few years.
I am sick and tired of being told that I should be sick and tired, because I’m certainly not, but I’m sick and tired of being told that I am.
“…and I’m a mac.”
hahahah! i love it!
I thought the graph was a joke (silly me!) and forwarded it to a few friends who also could take a joke,
God doesn’t hate gays, but he does hate the sin. He loves homosexuals, but they need to repent of their sin like everyone else. God is a God of love, not hate.
JOIN MY SPACE MARINE CHAPTER, LONDON!!!
THIS
I still don’t get the part of:
man-girl love = Not a sin
man-man/girl-girl love = Sin
Love is love correct?
It is not natural, that is why it is wrong.
Man did not make that decision, it was Creation/God/Allah/whatevertheheckyoubelieve. Nature intended for the male part to go into the female part. Period. Not comma, not colon, PERIOD.
Well, God kinda CREATED nature, thus he created the mechanism.
I wonder if you’ve ever tried to insert an electrical plug into another electrical plug. Or a socket into a socket? Unless you stuck two/tree metal rods in there so it would fit. Even still, would that contraption carry an electric current?
Then again, you’re probably just attempting a cheap-shot with witty (but not really) jokes.
‘Nough said
FINALLY.
I was beginning to think I was the only one out here.
What’s with all the Christian bashing lately?
Well its a novel change from being endlessly told I’m sick and going to hell (even though those two concepts seem a little incompatible, if my understanding of Christian theology is correct).
Oh, and lighten up. If you are a conservative Christian who doesn’t think all gays are going to burn in hell, at least be aware of the reality that many of your brethren do think exactly that. I know – I was one of them!
Yes, we’re aware of those “brethren”, but I don’t identify with them. Not only that, but that doesn’t mean you need to stereotype WHOLE masses of people just because a small section are hypocrites. For example:
All vegatarians are crazy liberal protesters who hate omnivores.
Why?
Oh, just because of PETA.
Do you see why this thinking doesn’t make any sense?
AND AS USUAL people are over reacting far to much to a funny joke, if ur trying to change peoples opinion on the internet dont it doesnt work…idiots
Well with that logic, why did you bother commenting at all? Stop trying to change our opinions on changing people’s opinions.
why is peta crazy again..
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals
Beef, mmmmm
hey! what u got aginst watermelinosts??
ROFLE
ROFLE = Rolling On Floor Laughing & Eating?
Eating tasty animals, I presume?
Specificaly chicken nuggets w/ honey ^_^
Not all vegetarians are members of PETA. However, all Christians subscribe to pretty much the same dogma, or else they’d be something else.
Yes, we know that not all vegetarians are members of PETA, just as all Christians aren’t crazy fundamentalists. Understand?
Christians all have, simply put, a faith in Jesus Christ. But when we venture outside that, talking about other things such as gay marriage or really anything else political, we all differ. I know some fiercely liberal Christians. I don’t think you’re understanding what we’re discussing here.
I am one of those “brethren” and also Conservative.
And I doubt you are an authentic Christian, Jes; Explain to me what 1 Corinthians 6:9 means to you…
What’s with all the people who see “Christian” out of a multiple word description and automatically assume that someone is bashing every Christian?
Seriously, why don’t people realize that only a group of Christians are being refered to and made fun of? I think it’s quite clear that not all Christians are being refered to. That is, unless suddenly all Christians are secretly people who rail against gay marriage while committing homosexual acts in private. Seriously, if that’s the case, then I think God is bawling and making plans for the apocalypse to occur as soon as possible.
I don’t think we’re fighting against the graph itself, we’re trying to open the minds of the mass amounts who DO think that all Christians are gay-haters, such as Alcar who thinks Christians force their beliefs on others, or Brock who thinks all Christians believe gays go straight to hell.
Whoah… I challenge you to point out where I said “ALL christians” are gay-haters.
“itās only the conservative theists that try to infringe on my rights and freedoms”.
Okay, conservative theists. rights and freedoms. What other rights and freedoms are you referring to, if not homosexuality (even if that’s what this graph is about?)
And by the way, if you think California is a majority of conservative theists, you are very misinformed. And yet, 52% voted to overrule gay marriage. Explain that one to me. Because for my conservative theist vote in support of gay marriage, there must have been a few non-conservative non-theists in opposition to it.
but.. death to the graph!
SUBTLETY-
This graph has it
Needs more evil monkey, otherwise funny graph. And LOL to the above poster who called atheism an ideology. Is bald also a hair color now?
didnt you get the memo?
While atheism technically can’t be a theology, it most certainly is an ideology.
Are we a bit behind on our coffee intake?
You are not familiar with the concept of negatives, i.e. the absence of something, the absence of ideology. Ideology is a set of aims and ideas. Atheism has none.
Similarly I don’t have a favorite football team. Does that make me a supporter of the have-no-favourite-football-team?
Atheism’s ideology is the rejection of theism, or the position that deities do not exist, not that ideas don’t exist.
Yes, and not collecting stamps is my favorite hobby!
No but it’s a hair style (kind of the same lines there).
a couple posts up @orrion23
Democrats suck too. See? I bash back.
welcome to the bashing party!
WAAAAAGGGHH!!!!!!
No, no. Hold your head like this, and go Waah! Waaah! Let’s do it again…
I SAID *WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHH!!!!!!1!!1!
Mark: It’s the Ork warcry from Warhammer… he’s basically saying he’s going to bash in someone’s head.
Ah, OK. It could be mistaken for “getting hit on the head lessons” from the Argument Clinic sketch of Monty Python.
My mistake!
if you are a conservative christian and support gay rights maybe but just maybe u might not be a conservative christian
XDDDDDDDDD
well, it depends on if we’re talking conservative politically or religiously.
I’m a conservative and I’m a Christian. However I’m pro gay rights. However I’m a conservative Christain. I believe what people are trying to say is RADICAL Christian. But once again the anti-Christian bias in your eyes is so strong you can’t discern the two. As Jes said earlier, and was 100% accurate, if we were to lump a liberal group into a stereo-type then we would be villified for it, however if a it matches the liberal agenda (or is done by a liberal) it seems to be okay by the mainstream. The irony in this is the person is trying to bash hypocrisy in the graph, but is a living hypocrisy…… I’m sure I’ll get jumped all over for this post, and most will ignore the facts of it, and try and throw out some ridiculous line about how I’m homophobic b/c I’m a conservative and Christian or some nonsense like that.
Because if you’re homophobic, you MUST be a conservative Christian.
Fail.
Response WIN!
All the liberals in these comments saying “lighten up” would be bashing any graph that mocked them as “Conservative propaganda”/”Fox Smears”, etc.
WIN!
The entire internet is yours
Funny, instead of arguing the point, or owning up to your own hypocrisies, you tell the individual to leave the site. HMMMMMMMMM…
I’m A christian and I think its funny. I believe in equal rights for everyone (so does God read your bible) and I get pi55ed when I hear there are gay bashing christians out there cause it gives us good christians a bad name. HATE THE SIN LOVE THE SINNER.
I don’t understand why you think being gay is a sin. Why are we able to look pass the things in the bible that say women and other races don’t deserve equal rights but we can’t look pass the part about gay people. The single, tiny passage. There’s tons about women not being equal to white men and yaddy-yah. You can’t pick and choose what “counts” from the bible. Besides the fact, did God himself write the Bible? No. Some people who were told what to write or whatever. What human wouldn’t get tempted to add in something to a book that will end up being around for centuries?
Lol can’t even stand up for people without someone getting pissy. I understand that alot of things I do is sin but I know God forgives me. Also so your just saying someone 1000s of years ago had a vendeta against gays? REALLY? I dont think so! The thing is that all premarital sex is wrong, plus sex is for procreation not recreation. I accept Gays and wish them all the rights that other people have. I dont like the fact people try to act like its not a sin though. Winne Effers who think the bible is against them cause it says gay is a sin. You dont hear liers or adulturers crying like that, they know its a sin and accept it. I think if the Gay community wants people to take them seriously they need to take a step back and be adults about it. Stop p!ssin and winning about it and work harder on getting bills to go through congress.
Actually, one could argue that homosexuality and trans-gender practices were initially shunned by early christians in an attempt to make it more popular (therefore more profitable) where-as previous religions did not shun such behavior, in fact cross-dressing was included in certain rituals for religions pre-dating christianity. In order to discredit these competing religions, it would be very easy for someone to slip in a passage here or there that would suggest homosexuality is somehow wrong, and this new shiny religion is all good (or else you will be severely persecuted).
Then again, the passage about two citizens of Sodom demanding that they have sex with the angel visiting Lot could have just as easily been mis-construed. The obvious shock and disgust at having a person desire to lay and ANGEL could have transferred to the idea of one man desiring to lay another.
fun stuff to consider, yes?
who cares if you believe being gay is a sin or not? It’s a nonissue. The issue is whether or not you’re going to vote to have that “sin” be made into law or not. You don’t need to rail on people for having beliefs.
Anderson Cooper
Sucks
lollipops.
…in the raw XP
boo this sucks
and u suck
everyones a little sucky around here
Suck? There are no vampires or vaccums on this graph.
suckie mcsuck sucker-doo suck…suck
You forgot skeletons.
The graph specifies “Conservative Christians *who rail against gay rights*.” If you are a conservative christian who does not fall into this category, please stop pretending to be offended and STFU kthx
This graph was made by a liberal who has obviously never met a true Christian, as Christians who try to live out the teachings of Jesus neither fear nor hate homosexuals. If you are a liberal who gets offended whenever someone criticizes his/her position, please stop posting lame comments like the one above. Thank you and go away.
Reading comprehension fail.
Learn to play, thanks.
yey, english 101!
Without the plainly obvious R Kelly joke I can’t honestly like this.
this graph deserves to be on failblog.
I like this graph. It may not be funny, but it is very true.
I hear space Marines marching in this direction….
That was five. BTW, how big is it?
big enough to feed a crab..?
This graph is friggin’ hilarious. If you are offended by it, it worked.
Which is why it should’nt have been posted. Dunce.
Oh, so liberals are allowed to make offensive graphs but conservatives aren’t? I get it now.
No one said conservatives aren’t, they are just never funny. This one is hilarious and 110% true. Crazy Christians are at more gay events then gay people themselves.
Conservatives need not be funny, as much of the liberal ideology is a joke in itself
Aggiefitz, I want YOU to join the Space Marine Chapter.
I found this one offensive
yes, youre right totally right, because that was not funny at all. try again plz!
Simona: 110% True. So basically you’re saying conservative Christians are gay, and therefore it’s funny. B/c what was it, three Politicans were found to be gay, ALL are that way. Since most of the guys getting suspended from the NFL for drug use are black, does that mean all black atheltes use steroids? Seriously, your logic is well FUBAR.
Missed one, the creator of this graphs brain…. because this is utterly retarded.
Or you’re to retarded to understand the graph =]
are you offended because you are one of them?
Aparently the above personel never liked you, Shu, but I do.
Ok, now I’m confused…well, even more confused than usual – I thought the sniff-test was for those of us who use (well, for me used to use) the pile system of clothing management, not those who actually hang stuff up in the closet (or wardrobe or whatever). I mean, didn’t some stand-up person explain this way back in the 1980s? I don’t know that I ever saw the bit, but when it was told to me I totally got it (I’m married now with two kids and things are different).
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I’ve always thought the point of the sniff test was so you could tell what to wash (and/or wear) when your piles of clothing (the dirty pile and the clean pile and the…well, never mind about that/those) eventually merged because you never put them in the…well, the closet (or wardrobe, or press, or dresser, or…fine, you get the idea).
Who says they’re hung up? I was imagining all the things in the green and purple areas being neatly hung up (because they were never worn, therefore never needed to be put away again), and the things in the blue and yellow areas being on opposite sides of the closet floor (because the person tosses them in there rather than hanging them up neatly, so they aren’t strewn around the room, but they aren’t exactly put away, either. And of course they have to be on opposite ends because nothing that’s anywhere near the cat’s favorite pee spot is going to pass the sniff test.
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maybe the red area should be hung as well.
Everyone’s who is offended by this makes me lol. =) Lighten up. Graph is made of WIN, not only for being what it is, but for actually inciting a reaction like it did from people.
It’s as funny as hell when some anti-gaybible-thumper turns out to be a secret gay….come on now..like when Jimmy Swaggart was found out to be meeting hookers at no-tell motels in between his self-righteous rants…he who lives by the sword dies by the sword…thats just how it goes…and it IS funny as hell.
That’s a rather harsh and biased opinion bro.
Not really…what would be harsh would be if I damned you to Hell and tried to ostracize you for doing something openly and honestly which I was doing myself furtively and fearfully…see how that works? It isn’t really an opinion anyway…outside the bible belt we’re mostly laughing fit to burst when this stuff happens.
nost: SO you speak for EVERYONE outside the bible belt. **looks at map** I’m not in the bible belt, and I’m not having a laughing fit when this happens. Yes the person is a freaking tool when it happens, but I also realize there’s a family on the other end of this who is crushed. So while you’re busy laughing, there’s a family being destroyed, yeah that’s funny.
Well..I suppose yes, every time this happens it’s a family tragedy….however it’s still funny….kind of a dichotomy isn’t it? I suppose I feel like a swine for finding it funny…a little, however I still think the hypocrite is more of a swine than I am..and the pain his family is feeling is caused by him, nobody else.
I’m tired of the hypocrisy from both sides. I’m also just as tired as the judgers who come out of the woodwork when hypocrisy is found. I figured the person got what they deserve, karma hit them back, why is it for me to rub their face in it. Shouldn’t we be bigger people than that (I thought that’s the liberal agenda, accept everyone, including their faults). I don’t think you’re swine, just somewhat blind to the fact of tragedy, and the pain is caused by him, but rubbed in by the press.
Nobody ever changed anyone’s opinion of anything on the internet…but ponder this at your leisure: ‘as you sew so shall you reap.’
I suppose, incidentally, that I was using the term ‘bible belt’ to mean the community of fundamentalist Christianity, not strictly as a geographical term…you know there are some people who think ‘the Gulag archipelago’ is actually a chain of small islands off the Siberian coast?
Being a preacher who gets caught out in immorality is a learning experience without a doubt…and IMO thats what we’re all here for. I have fallen on my arse quite a few times in my life and I probably raised a few chuckles along the way doing so….what choice have we got but to get up, dust ourselves down and carry on?…peace
Sow..that should be…groans.
this graph is hilarious. i think i actually peed a little i laughed so hard. even clapped my hands..
this is going on my blog. it’s going on twitter. it’s going on facebook.. for all and sundry to see.. spread the love.
to the creator; thankyou!!! please do more!
Just as long as you didn’t clap while you peed.
why do all the funny ones get the low ratings and all the unfunny ones get 5 stars? this was hilarious!
hell yeah. i reckon that it’s because although once upon a time this cheezburger network was relatively fringe, it’s become pretty much mainstream.. so now the majority of its viewers, particularly those who criticise the work people put up here, are conservatives who don’t really appreciate autonomous brain function heh. bummer.
this is dumb
ZING!
Eat it, Fred Phelps.
What we can tell about the maker of this graph from it’s contents:
Wears dirty clothes, accuses others of taking thing without actually looking for said thing, is fat, and has a cat that is not litter trained or is seriously pissed at the poster,
ZING!!!
The point of the whole gay thing is that it’s a perversion of God’s design. It makes him feel the way it must make Steve Jobs feel when he sees a mac running Windows. Sure, the way it’s built allows for that, but must you? No Mac comes with Windows preinstalled. Doesn’t work that way.
Oh really? When was the last time you sat down with G-d to ask Him how He feels about GLBT people? Thanks for being the messenger to the world, oh great prophet…
FAIL on graphmakers part haha
got to love arrogance.
This one would make a good Failblog post. It’s definately offensive. But reguardless of our opinions, my complaint is more general. Graphjam is for funny, not for propeganda.
Definately, reguardless, propeganda? Nice.
Not only do you not know how to spell propaganda, you obviously do not even know what it is. This was a simple joke poking fun at conservative Christians WHO RAIL AGAINST GAY RIGHTS. Its not condemning all Christians or all conservative Christians. Its a hyperbole, an exaggeration. That is why it is funny.
Why does everyone on this site have to go crazy on people for spelling errors? This site isn’t just for native-English speakers who spend their time spell checking everything they post on an internet forum.
If people think that marriage is a holy thing and should be traditional why is that bad
Will: B/c they don’t respect other people’s beliefs. B/c they want to mock and ridicule it and prove they are right. I’m all for gay marriage, just would prefer it be called a Civil Union so as not to ridicule the sacrament of Marriage. The Civil Union would have the same benefits and draw backs as a marriage does. To me which ever side balks at that idea is trying to push their own agenda on the other and make the other group submit.
orly: Yeah that’s exactly what I was saying you’re spot on…… Actually I’m talking of the people on this forum who are mocking and ridiculing Christianity. Why is it wehnever Civil Union is brought up there’s a cry of foul? If it has the same benefits as marriage, why need it be called marriage?
Really? Really that’s why it’s funny. So I’m guessing if I say something along the lines of: “Why were there only 4000 Mexicans at the Alamo?…….. B/C they only had 2 cars!!!!” That’s an exaggeration, so it must be funny… right!!! right!!!!
Actually, that’s pretty frickin hilarious. Comedians use stereotypes all the time to make their audience laugh. The funny is in the irony.
Really? Or how about this, what do you do when your dish washer breaks? Slap the b$tch!!! Yeah it’s an exaggeration, so it has to be funny. B/c demeaning a whole group of people is funny. Yeah I love to do that. It’s quality…. Before people go nuts, I was being sarcastic on both “jokes” and about demeaning people…..
And you know what? I laughed at this, too.
Thank you!
This graph could have actually been funny…had the poster said “skeletons” instead of “Christian Conservatives.”
This graph should be on faiblog it’s pretty stupid.
Skeletons that rail against gay rights? That wouldn’t have been funny at all . . .
Should it is, b/c skeletons have a bone to pick with everyone!!!!
wow this graph is soooo funny, i like it how we arent allowed to justly “hate” gays as you say which we dont, but youre allowed to hate Christians who stand up for the Word of God and what is right
First of all, nice job having a “citizen of the world” view.**
Nobody’s talking about hate here. Just hypocrisy – that thing that Jesus hated (or whatever). So you fail.
Also, consider capitalizing words other than the ones that allude to Christianity. You’ll sound like less of a crazy Jesus dude.
**notates sarcasm (you blow at sarcasm (read a Vonnegut book – don’t burn it)
Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh, people don’t all agree with my magic book, waasaaaaaahhhhhhh
Satire = A joke with a point to make.
People need to relax, it is obviously a valid criticism or the poster would not have included it and people would not get so upset about it.
Also, for people that are against Gay rights and call it a perversion of the natural created order, I can assure you that i have done much theological and scientific research and am quite sure that it is not that simple.
So if you don’t agree you don’t have a right to speak up in the public forum and say you think this graph lacks the “funny” part? I don’t find it amusing at all. It hurts an understanding of treating all people with respect and dignity first as a Christian value. It’s not satire IMHO, it’s just mean spirited.
Wait, wait, wait.
Am I supposed to believe you, some person who claims to have done much research and yet only says “it’s not that simple”, or a collection of documents that were written some 2000 years ago (approximately) by many different people, with some documents written hundreds of years before the others, and yet not one of them contradict each other?
It’s quite simple.
(I hate quoting the same thing over and over, but…)
” 21They know about God, but they don’t honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22They claim to be wise, but they are fools. 23They don’t worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles.
24So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. 25They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God’s creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen.
26God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.” -Romans 1:21-27
People don’t nee to relax, this is offensive to a large group of people, me included.
Oh, and BTW, I’m NOT gay. The whole Love-the-sinner thing is BROTHERLY love, not sexual. Quite a difference there.
Again, I ask you where it is contradictory, where it is mistranslated.
Yes, men, but men who were writing down, essentially, what God TOLD them to say. Also men who, also repeating myself, lived withing hundreds of years within each other. And BTW, the Romans were very efficient in record-keeping, you will find in their records that the death of Jesus did happen. There are many facts from the Bible that can be proven via history.
Again, there is proof of the Apostles (I’m sure you’re cussing me out right now) DYING because they were preaching the Gospel. Don’t you think if it were patched up by man, they would either leave that part out or never go to the trouble of risking their lives in the first place? I can list tons o reasons the Bible is true.
Also, in this case, I DO OFFEND YOU. And I’m PROUD OF IT. (I’m not to proud that you should find this offensive, but that I do offend you for this reason). This isn’t just belief, it’s TRUTH. It’s just not a truth widely accepted (and seriously, you think I didn’t know that?), because people want to think they can get away with anything, thus they replace these sensible truths with ridiculous… evolution (lol). Or worse, scientology, or any other… bizzare religion/cult.
Well, the Bible is quite convenient, which again brings up: You really think man alone would be able to cover all bases and make this so convenient just to make up some “religion” about some random carpenter from Israel? And why would they make a story where the God, creator of the Earth, was born and lived in such a humble way? Or worse, that he was executed as a criminal? And don’t ya think if this was fake, that eventually someone would’ve found the errors long ago? This religion has been going since the Roman empire. Nero burned Christians in his estate as if the were Tiki Torches. S this would’ve had to have been long ago when these conspirators made such a winpy religion, and yet people died for believing it.
Speaking of evolution, may I ask, where’s your missing link(s)? Why is the evolutionary tree so gaped? Why can’t we predict what will evolve next?
Also, if you dare bring up carbon dating or whatever it’s called, I’ve got a Biblical explanation.
P.S. I just said that to make sure no troller took a cheap shot at the name. But then again, you seem to be one of the more mature commenters. Props for that.
Nah i was about to bring up uranium-238 dating instead
Just as many social conservatives are gay as any other group. The difference is the type of gay. They fight against gay marriage and gay pride parades because they don’t want open, monogamous homosexual relationships. The type of homosexuals you get in churches and GOP meetings are the ones that have sex with rent boys behind their wife’s back, or ask undercover policemen for blowjobs in public toilets. That’s why they don’t want itout in the open and acceptable, Conservatives like their homosexual encounters to be seedy, hypocritical and unfaithful. If homosexuality becomes accepted, then it’s no longer fun for Christians and Republicans to do it in toilets while preaching to people who aren’t bothering anyone and just want to get married to their sweetheart that they’re evil, unamerican and going to hell.
“The type of homosexuals you get in churches and GOP meetings are the ones that have sex with rent boys behind their wifeās back,”
This simply isn’t true, i know a ton of openly gay people at church who are in monogamous healthy relationships and have been for decades.
but little do you know they have secret heterosexual relationships behind the scenes :O
lol, that’s awesome
Wait, if they’re openly gay, why are they at church?
Unless this is one of those hypocritical churches that ignore 1 Corinthians 6:9…
You do seem to enjoy that word. If only you could spell it right…
And what I said about the cheap-shooting trollers?
Here we have one in its natural habitat.
this graph is brilliant.
Why yes!
Why no, this doesn’t slam Christian conservatives at all.
Lol!
Lol, the “closet”! xD
I think just the fact that we are even arguing this is kinda insane. The point of the graph was to show that a percentage of conservative Christians who rail against homosexuals may very well be found in the closet themselves. I am a conservative, a Catholic, and a homosexual. I found it hilarious and truthful to an extent. Then again, even my own people think I’m an Uncle Tom. LOL.
People – seriously, just relax. If it’s not funny to you – that’s ok. It doesn’t mean that you are gay, homophobic, or whatnot – it just means we don’t share a sense of humor and that’s ok. Welcome to free society where people can feel free to be different and enjoy different things (from conservative bashing to .. well.. buttsecks).
being catholic,you would agree with things found in the bible,right?
Leviticus 18:22-look it up
Hilarious, first chart on this site to make me L o L! Haha awesome!
n00b
HIlarious!
I am the creator of the “THINGS YOU FIND A IN A CLOSET” graph. I in no way intended to suggest that a good portion of Christian conservatives are closeted gay. In all fairness, I think the majority of you have been victimized by slippery floors in men’s bathrooms. Accidently slipping and falling mouth first on an erect one is traumatic enough without me adding insult to injury, so my humblest apologies to those of you who took offense.
lolz, wonderful.
Excellent.
Disgusting propaganda is disgusting
Hillarious butt-hurt whining is hillarious.
bahahahaahaha!
WIN!
Why can’t we leave all the controversy out and agree this is a funny graph? c’mon people, it’s just a graph. GET OVER YOURSELVES
You know, when I saw this graph, I smiled, noted it… And then came back as soon as I had some free time. One glance at it proved that not only was it amusing (I don’t find it hilarious, but I did like it and find it amusing) but it was definitely going to spark some fascinating discussions… Have to say, as much as some of the posters exasperate me by missing so of the more obvious facts, I’m really happy that this was posted.
What’s in the closet?
Narnia.
lol
420th!
I got about halfway through reading this before I discovered one persons STUPID statement that is just COMPLETELY wrong. Not ONE scientist on this f***ing planet will tell you that for a fact the univerese was created from a spec of super condensed dust. They will acknowledge that THEORY
I got about halfway through reading all of these comments and just to start off with I loved the graph made me giggle, but what I truly laughed at was that someone actually said our universe was created from a tiny spec of dust, for a fact. You know what that is called? The Big Bang THEORY. That is all it is at this point in time unless you can cite your source im sticking with my junior year of high school science class on this one. Call it what you want stereotyping or racism all you want its never going to go away there will always be those people alive the best thing to do in YOUR life to truly help the cause is just ignore it and don’t be racist yourself for that will truly be more helpful than shouting in someones face for doing it.
Yes it is “just” a theory, but in scientific terms the word “theory” doesn’t mean exactly what it does in layman’s terms. For something to be referred to as a theory, there has to be a lot of evidence supporting it, or else it’s just a hypothesis (which is more the sort of thing most people assume the word “theory” means.) A theory hasn’t been definitively proven (or else it would be referred to as a law), but it has stood up to a lot of testing, and it has made testable predictions that have held true. The idea that germs cause disease is technically a “theory”, as are a *lot* of things in physics that, despite being technically unproven, we still use to make things like TVs and computers work. I’m not saying it’s a definite fact, and you’re welcome to believe otherwise if you so choose, it just irritates me to see it scorned as “just a theory” when a scientific theory is actually extremely close to a sure thing.
Also I’m really not sure what racism or “those people” have to do with the Big Bang theory (or maybe it had to do with high school science class?) Anyway, I couldn’t make sense of that part, so it would be nice if you could clarify that a bit.
Nobody, as far as I know, has specifically stated the singularity from which the Universe evolved following the big bang was ‘a tiny speck of dust’. They say it was a singularity, in other words a ‘one of a kind’ thing which we cant decribe now because no such thing exists in our Universe as far as we know. It excites the minds of scientists to try to imagine what it was but we can never really be sure. The evidence that’s there does point to a big bang though and we can be sure of mostly everything that’s happened since that point…
i respect gay rights and all, but this isnt a place to rant your ass off about it with a graph
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SO TRUE.
I don’t know what’s funnier, the graph itself or all the christians trying to use christianity to defend christianity. That’s like saying, “cake is delicious because it’s cake,” or “Republicans are right because they are republicans.” See the retardedness?
Hey christians. Want to earn the respect of atheists? Try using LOGIC and REASON in an argument rather than saying “it’s bad cause the bible said so.” Every time you reference the bible, just know, you’re not convincing anyone.
As a Christian, I agree with you. I, personally, believe in the Bible (although I do think that there are parts that are meant to be taken metaphorically, like Genesis.) However, I realize that some people don’t believe in the Bible AT ALL, and if I try to make an argument with those people based on what’s in the Bible, I’m going to make a fool of myself. It especially bothers me to see Christians assert that the Bible is true because it says it is, because that argument doesn’t hold any water unless you *already* believe that it’s true. If you want to have anyone take your arguments seriously, you have to have some hard evidence, and not something that the person you’re arguing with might not believe at all.
That is based on relativism – “It’s true for you but not for me.” The fact is, these are fundamental beliefs, and if you only argued with people who believed them there wouldn’t be any convincing to do, would there?
That’s my point. If you are arguing with someone, unless you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing, it will be about something you disagree on. If your arguments only stand up if your entire side of the argument is right, then you will simply keep going around in circles, and never get anywhere. That sort of thing is what is actually meant by the phrase, “begging the question,” and it pretty much dooms any debate to failure.
I mean, say you got into an argument with someone about whether or not the Bible is true, and the other person believes that every word of it is false. If your only evidence comes from the Bible itself, then it will *never* convince them, because they don’t believe that that evidence is valid. If you want to get anywhere with them, you have to be able to produce some evidence that they agree is valid, like historical records. The same goes for any argument where one person believes in the Bible and the other doesn’t; no matter how true it is, you will never make any headway arguing with someone who doesn’t believe in the Bible if you rely exclusively on Biblical evidence. True or not, they won’t believe it, and you will never convince them unless you come up with an argument they actually agree is true.
I used to argue with ignorant Obama clingers-on like the graph creator. Now I don’t even bother.
Aw, heck, I will. This isn’t “GAY RIGHTS” this is COMMUNISM! Look at Communist Russia. Then and there they controlled exactly what everyone said – and if you tried to speak for yourself you went to jail.
Now, Obama wants to make it illeagal to say anything agains homosexuals. Can you see it, yup I see it, the end of religious freedom and freedom of speech. The Obamination wants to control your mouth, your mind, your body. That’s all this is – control and the victory of an immoral, unnatural lifestyle.
P.S. Homosexuality is an extremely small minority yet they account form the vast majority of this country’s STDs.
Immoral, unnatural lifestyle? Sorry dear, but those are the opposite of the facts. Hundreds of animal species have homosexuals. And if homo sapiens were the only ones who had them, it still wouldn’t be unnatural – because a species has it….so it’s natural. That is just one of the clearest things ever.
And the fact that say it’s immoral makes you a vexacious worm and anything else you say irrelevant.
And I doubt it’s a minority – there’s only three outcomes, straight, gay or bi (or lack of any orientation in some cases). People are just afraid to say who they are because of neanderthals like you.
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of course! just one of the endless similarities between communist russia and america today!
Hmmm, so trying to keep abortion legal is controlling someone else’s body? That’s funny, I thought that you stupid ‘pro-lifers’ were the oned in charge of that. I’d rather have Obama in office than some idiot soccer mom from Alaska who would have started the second Inquisition. Religious freedom died when they put …’ in one nation under god’ in the national anthem. So while you’re deciding who should be able to say hateful things about someone for who they are, tell me a Holocaust joke.
Hate to be picky (not really), but “one nation under god” is in the Pledge of Allegiance, not in the national anthem. I agree with what you said, I just wanted to post something antagonistic.
how about The stash?
Gays are cool with me. =] Now shut the hell up.