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		<title>By: scott v</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I can&#039;t get on board with either boasting about how much you don&#039;t know, or how knowledge is useless just because you personally don&#039;t use it.  With a little trig or calculus, you can quickly solve problems where you&#039;d otherwise sit around and say &quot;Duh.&quot;  Of course, if you&#039;re not interested in knowing how anything works, then yeah, you don&#039;t &quot;need&quot; most math -- but that&#039;s a pretty sad standard.  Let&#039;s go back to the Stone Age and try to enjoy it.  (Although even they probably knew a thing or two about angles...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t get on board with either boasting about how much you don&#8217;t know, or how knowledge is useless just because you personally don&#8217;t use it.  With a little trig or calculus, you can quickly solve problems where you&#8217;d otherwise sit around and say &#8220;Duh.&#8221;  Of course, if you&#8217;re not interested in knowing how anything works, then yeah, you don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; most math &#8212; but that&#8217;s a pretty sad standard.  Let&#8217;s go back to the Stone Age and try to enjoy it.  (Although even they probably knew a thing or two about angles&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: XD</title>
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		<dc:creator>XD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to read graphs too. Well, at least to enjoy this site :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to read graphs too. Well, at least to enjoy this site <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: binomial</title>
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		<dc:creator>binomial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo. I recollect boring novels which were required reading. A few years after the classes, I voluntarily read the previous books and found them enjoyable. Also, I had an instructor who taught bad math to illustrate correct math, or at least to make it understandable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo. I recollect boring novels which were required reading. A few years after the classes, I voluntarily read the previous books and found them enjoyable. Also, I had an instructor who taught bad math to illustrate correct math, or at least to make it understandable.</p>
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		<title>By: inanimate object</title>
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		<dc:creator>inanimate object</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what? thanks for that i am taking calculus this year and school starts in abt a month!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what? thanks for that i am taking calculus this year and school starts in abt a month!</p>
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		<title>By: clonedcow</title>
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		<dc:creator>clonedcow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t do the math someone does. Who created computers and computer programs like excel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t do the math someone does. Who created computers and computer programs like excel?</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know high school drop outs who use higher level math everyday. They are carpenters. It&#039;s really hard to build things without math (or at least build them well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know high school drop outs who use higher level math everyday. They are carpenters. It&#8217;s really hard to build things without math (or at least build them well).</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>epic phail</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Riddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think you would have computers without math learned after 8th grade?
You must be deluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think you would have computers without math learned after 8th grade?<br />
You must be deluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Seruna Kanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seruna Kanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of volume equations in geometry are watered down calculus that were presented after the common ratio was discovered.

Also, algebra is nothing more than Arithmatic where the blank as been shifted to the other side of the equal sign and where it was the new number is revealed, and the constant in the place where the blank was moved to is now covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of volume equations in geometry are watered down calculus that were presented after the common ratio was discovered.</p>
<p>Also, algebra is nothing more than Arithmatic where the blank as been shifted to the other side of the equal sign and where it was the new number is revealed, and the constant in the place where the blank was moved to is now covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Seruna Kanus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seruna Kanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calculus is that lovely little set of math that came from the process of answering two little questions.

1) What is the slope of a line tangent to a curve.

2) What is the area of the space under the curve on a graph.

#1 resulted in derivitives which are the simplifications of the limits used to solve for the slope, and #2 resulted in anti-derivitives, or differential equations as the more common name.

Interestingly enough, both aspects work in opposite directions, just like adding and subtracting, or multiplying and dividing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calculus is that lovely little set of math that came from the process of answering two little questions.</p>
<p>1) What is the slope of a line tangent to a curve.</p>
<p>2) What is the area of the space under the curve on a graph.</p>
<p>#1 resulted in derivitives which are the simplifications of the limits used to solve for the slope, and #2 resulted in anti-derivitives, or differential equations as the more common name.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, both aspects work in opposite directions, just like adding and subtracting, or multiplying and dividing.</p>
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		<title>By: Not An English Major</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not An English Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like my English teacher...pfffft</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like my English teacher&#8230;pfffft</p>
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		<title>By: bob the mob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob the mob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, this graph really brought out the assburgers. Guess what nerds, unless you&#039;re an engineer or programmer, you will NEVER use anything beyond arithmetic. Also, if you think studying math so you can be a rigid, objective thinker is a good thing, you need to put down the Ayn Rand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, this graph really brought out the assburgers. Guess what nerds, unless you&#8217;re an engineer or programmer, you will NEVER use anything beyond arithmetic. Also, if you think studying math so you can be a rigid, objective thinker is a good thing, you need to put down the Ayn Rand.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest actually....I study medicine and it&#039;s largely physiology-centered....which is largely physics-centered....which, tragically, is calculus-centered....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest actually&#8230;.I study medicine and it&#8217;s largely physiology-centered&#8230;.which is largely physics-centered&#8230;.which, tragically, is calculus-centered&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tundra_14</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tundra_14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice... 

Whereas graphs like this make me weep for my generation, it&#039;s nice to know that the majority of the reviews for this graph think that it&#039;s highly inaccurate :)

I wish more people would realize how important math really is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice&#8230; </p>
<p>Whereas graphs like this make me weep for my generation, it&#8217;s nice to know that the majority of the reviews for this graph think that it&#8217;s highly inaccurate <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wish more people would realize how important math really is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessidork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessidork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It means the main ways that Americans learn about grams and the metric system are through drugs, cervical dilation during the end of pregnancy, and when you try to compare volume/size/weight with friends from other parts of the world not accustomed to the King&#039;s standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It means the main ways that Americans learn about grams and the metric system are through drugs, cervical dilation during the end of pregnancy, and when you try to compare volume/size/weight with friends from other parts of the world not accustomed to the King&#8217;s standard.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you only need to consult the proper charts for the heat treatment of steel alloys.  calculations are typically unnecessary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you only need to consult the proper charts for the heat treatment of steel alloys.  calculations are typically unnecessary</p>
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		<title>By: Lolzaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lolzaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. Sounds like the russian curriculum. Well, I&#039;m guessing this guy&#039;s american. We are still being taught + - x / in 7th grade &gt;.&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. Sounds like the russian curriculum. Well, I&#8217;m guessing this guy&#8217;s american. We are still being taught + &#8211; x / in 7th grade &gt;.&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: glitchunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>glitchunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eighth grade?  That&#039;s when you stop learning +-/x?  I learned that at 4 years old, pre-algebra in 2nd grade.  This graph-maker must be in the dummy class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eighth grade?  That&#8217;s when you stop learning +-/x?  I learned that at 4 years old, pre-algebra in 2nd grade.  This graph-maker must be in the dummy class.</p>
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		<title>By: CuBuLo</title>
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		<dc:creator>CuBuLo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SOOOOOO TRUE</description>
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		<title>By: WoWgrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>WoWgrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think advanced math should be taught, but it should not be mandatory.  It&#039;s one thing to make it available to learn, but quite another to force someone to learn something they don&#039;t need or have any interest in.  

 It&#039;s true, I don&#039;t see anything that advanced math is used for now.  I don&#039;t work at fast food either...that&#039;s what Excel and scientific calculators are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think advanced math should be taught, but it should not be mandatory.  It&#8217;s one thing to make it available to learn, but quite another to force someone to learn something they don&#8217;t need or have any interest in.  </p>
<p> It&#8217;s true, I don&#8217;t see anything that advanced math is used for now.  I don&#8217;t work at fast food either&#8230;that&#8217;s what Excel and scientific calculators are for.</p>
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		<title>By: zx</title>
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		<dc:creator>zx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice spelling, natasha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice spelling, natasha.</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, what a world we live in when funniness has become a percentage. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, what a world we live in when funniness has become a percentage. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very good analogy, SnowBro.</description>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a myth. All the math majors I know get A&#039;s in English. 
This myth is perpetuated by English majors who can&#039;t do math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a myth. All the math majors I know get A&#8217;s in English.<br />
This myth is perpetuated by English majors who can&#8217;t do math.</p>
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		<title>By: GammaPaladin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GammaPaladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You realize that *all* algebra actually is... Is determining how to *apply* addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division to a problem?

Is dividing something by 10 algebra? No. But figuring out the process by which you can arrive at 15% of something... THAT is algebra.

x = c / 10
y = x / 2
z = x + y

Where c is the cost of your dinner.

That&#039;s an algebraic formula, and all it is, is a shorthand way of saying *exactly* what you said in your post: Divide by ten. Divide that by 2. Sum the quotients.

Our schools teach math horribly, they try to divorce the concept of numbers from reality from kindergarten on (This basically starts when they try to break you of counting on your fingers), so a lot of people don&#039;t understand what algebra is. It&#039;s not something esoteric or difficult. It&#039;s just the process of applying arithmetic to the real world.

Nothing less, nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You realize that *all* algebra actually is&#8230; Is determining how to *apply* addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division to a problem?</p>
<p>Is dividing something by 10 algebra? No. But figuring out the process by which you can arrive at 15% of something&#8230; THAT is algebra.</p>
<p>x = c / 10<br />
y = x / 2<br />
z = x + y</p>
<p>Where c is the cost of your dinner.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an algebraic formula, and all it is, is a shorthand way of saying *exactly* what you said in your post: Divide by ten. Divide that by 2. Sum the quotients.</p>
<p>Our schools teach math horribly, they try to divorce the concept of numbers from reality from kindergarten on (This basically starts when they try to break you of counting on your fingers), so a lot of people don&#8217;t understand what algebra is. It&#8217;s not something esoteric or difficult. It&#8217;s just the process of applying arithmetic to the real world.</p>
<p>Nothing less, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: SnowBro</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnowBro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit!  You had to bring that up.  I&#039;m just relieved you didn&#039;t mention that it scored a user rating 4 pie charts out of 5, which means that I missed the fact that it is, on average, about 80% funny.

The real reason I didn&#039;t think it was funny is because it&#039;s derivative.  I laughed the first time I saw more or less the same graph in a different form, two months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit!  You had to bring that up.  I&#8217;m just relieved you didn&#8217;t mention that it scored a user rating 4 pie charts out of 5, which means that I missed the fact that it is, on average, about 80% funny.</p>
<p>The real reason I didn&#8217;t think it was funny is because it&#8217;s derivative.  I laughed the first time I saw more or less the same graph in a different form, two months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: SnowBro</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnowBro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analogy that I like to use is driving.

When you take driving lessons, the in-class instructors gives you all sorts of directions like &quot;come to a full and complete stop at a stop sign&quot; &quot;make sure the traffic is clear before proceeding&quot; or &quot;put your direction lights on at a certain distance before you turn&quot; etc.

But when somebody gives you directions from point A to point B (along the shortest distance, we hope), they just say &quot;make a left here, drive for so long, make another left, drive to the next intersection make a right, and another right&quot; or something like that.

Unconsciously, you&#039;re using stuff that you learned in your driving class, but the person giving you directions never actually says &quot;drive for so long, put your direction light on to indicate that your are making a left hand turn, make a full and complete stop at the stoplight, check to see that no cars are coming from the opposite direction, then turn left.&quot;  You&#039;d probably want to punch him if he did.  And if you ignore what your instructor said, you could end up in a ditch.

(I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve figured out by now that) I think math is like what they teach you in driving class, while every other discipline that uses math is like actual driving.  You can use math, advanced or otherwise, even if you&#039;re not doing it explicitly, but you could have difficulty in your own subject if ignore the math.

And just like the existence of driving instructors depends on a need to drive safely, the existence of math depends on a need to solve problems with it.

blah blah blah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analogy that I like to use is driving.</p>
<p>When you take driving lessons, the in-class instructors gives you all sorts of directions like &#8220;come to a full and complete stop at a stop sign&#8221; &#8220;make sure the traffic is clear before proceeding&#8221; or &#8220;put your direction lights on at a certain distance before you turn&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>But when somebody gives you directions from point A to point B (along the shortest distance, we hope), they just say &#8220;make a left here, drive for so long, make another left, drive to the next intersection make a right, and another right&#8221; or something like that.</p>
<p>Unconsciously, you&#8217;re using stuff that you learned in your driving class, but the person giving you directions never actually says &#8220;drive for so long, put your direction light on to indicate that your are making a left hand turn, make a full and complete stop at the stoplight, check to see that no cars are coming from the opposite direction, then turn left.&#8221;  You&#8217;d probably want to punch him if he did.  And if you ignore what your instructor said, you could end up in a ditch.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve figured out by now that) I think math is like what they teach you in driving class, while every other discipline that uses math is like actual driving.  You can use math, advanced or otherwise, even if you&#8217;re not doing it explicitly, but you could have difficulty in your own subject if ignore the math.</p>
<p>And just like the existence of driving instructors depends on a need to drive safely, the existence of math depends on a need to solve problems with it.</p>
<p>blah blah blah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SnowBro</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnowBro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not?</description>
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		<title>By: SnowBro</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51582</link>
		<dc:creator>SnowBro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say they weren&#039;t.  But you wouldn&#039;t get very far in any of them without math.  Nor would math be what it is if it weren&#039;t for those subjects.  Many topics in pure math are motivated by problems in other subjects, which only serves to reinforce the importance of mathematics for students in those subjects, and vice versa.

I&#039;m not trying to say &quot;my dad is better than your dad&quot;, only that &quot;my dad is better than you make him out to be&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say they weren&#8217;t.  But you wouldn&#8217;t get very far in any of them without math.  Nor would math be what it is if it weren&#8217;t for those subjects.  Many topics in pure math are motivated by problems in other subjects, which only serves to reinforce the importance of mathematics for students in those subjects, and vice versa.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to say &#8220;my dad is better than your dad&#8221;, only that &#8220;my dad is better than you make him out to be&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SnowBro</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnowBro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More or less.  Although, speaking from experience, I would say they need to know one level more than what they&#039;re supposed to teach, in case they have a bright student or two who asks a question about something beyond what&#039;s in the teacher&#039;s manual, or an exceptionally weak student, in which case, you&#039;d need to have a deeper understanding (not too deep, though) so you can break it down further.  

But somebody who&#039;s gotten to the point where they can teach at any level should at least have heard of calculus, even if they don&#039;t know what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More or less.  Although, speaking from experience, I would say they need to know one level more than what they&#8217;re supposed to teach, in case they have a bright student or two who asks a question about something beyond what&#8217;s in the teacher&#8217;s manual, or an exceptionally weak student, in which case, you&#8217;d need to have a deeper understanding (not too deep, though) so you can break it down further.  </p>
<p>But somebody who&#8217;s gotten to the point where they can teach at any level should at least have heard of calculus, even if they don&#8217;t know what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: SnowBro</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnowBro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  As an instructor and enthusiast of math, I can assure you that there is much more that we&#039;d like to be teaching because we think it&#039;s cool.  But we hold back, and most of us only do that once or twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  As an instructor and enthusiast of math, I can assure you that there is much more that we&#8217;d like to be teaching because we think it&#8217;s cool.  But we hold back, and most of us only do that once or twice.</p>
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		<title>By: derpty derp</title>
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		<dc:creator>derpty derp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  Disagree. Multiplication and division are *not* algebra.</description>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 06:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akshully I go to a speshul skools so I lern this stuff in 4th graed and ten aftur dat we lern algerba and giometrics and speshul big maths skills we wuld lern in 8th graid at a normel skool. But I am speshul with a Eye Queue of ober 180 so i r shmart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akshully I go to a speshul skools so I lern this stuff in 4th graed and ten aftur dat we lern algerba and giometrics and speshul big maths skills we wuld lern in 8th graid at a normel skool. But I am speshul with a Eye Queue of ober 180 so i r shmart</p>
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		<title>By: notolaf</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51510</link>
		<dc:creator>notolaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because there is no &quot;s&quot; after the &quot;th&quot; in the spelling.</description>
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		<title>By: notolaf</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51509</link>
		<dc:creator>notolaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL You don&#039;t stick a fork in your steel and call it done?</description>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51508</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should be &quot;shortest distance,&quot; not &quot;most direct route&quot;. Brain farts are fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should be &#8220;shortest distance,&#8221; not &#8220;most direct route&#8221;. Brain farts are fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51507</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The end of the line is, that regardless of whether you do or do not know that you&#039;re using math everyday, you are. The brain performs complex calculations in matters of milliseconds just so your body can function. How does a quarterback&#039;s brain know where and when to throw the ball to a receiver? As such, to say that you do not use more than arithmetic everyday is a fallacy.

As for what kinds of math you &lt;i&gt;consciously&lt;/i&gt; use, that depends on a lot of circumstances, but mostly you just need to read the comments above to see the many practical, everyday uses. Even today, I was figuring out how to attack a tank in Call of Duty, and I decided, &quot;well, the most direct route between two points is a straight line...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The end of the line is, that regardless of whether you do or do not know that you&#8217;re using math everyday, you are. The brain performs complex calculations in matters of milliseconds just so your body can function. How does a quarterback&#8217;s brain know where and when to throw the ball to a receiver? As such, to say that you do not use more than arithmetic everyday is a fallacy.</p>
<p>As for what kinds of math you <i>consciously</i> use, that depends on a lot of circumstances, but mostly you just need to read the comments above to see the many practical, everyday uses. Even today, I was figuring out how to attack a tank in Call of Duty, and I decided, &#8220;well, the most direct route between two points is a straight line&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51506</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;real job&quot;? Do I even need to explain the ignorance loaded into that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;real job&#8221;? Do I even need to explain the ignorance loaded into that?</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51505</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facts aren&#039;t subjective, sorry to say. For those in the world that aren&#039;t math majors, or even mathematically inclined, this may be funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facts aren&#8217;t subjective, sorry to say. For those in the world that aren&#8217;t math majors, or even mathematically inclined, this may be funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51503</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Math and other subjects are all equally useful in different respects. That&#039;s okay, though, you guys can keep on with your, &quot;my dad is better than your dad&quot; argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Math and other subjects are all equally useful in different respects. That&#8217;s okay, though, you guys can keep on with your, &#8220;my dad is better than your dad&#8221; argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not according to Texas Instruments, there aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not according to Texas Instruments, there aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51500</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason that the &quot;s&quot; began being omitted from the North American version is because &quot;maths&quot; creates the awkward&quot;ths&quot; sound. Beyond that I can&#039;t imagine why we would have dropped the &quot;s&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason that the &#8220;s&#8221; began being omitted from the North American version is because &#8220;maths&#8221; creates the awkward&#8221;ths&#8221; sound. Beyond that I can&#8217;t imagine why we would have dropped the &#8220;s&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Neitherworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neitherworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true too. Unless you work with science and computers or something along that lines. My dad has only used a type of math  he learned in high school once whne working with computers DX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true too. Unless you work with science and computers or something along that lines. My dad has only used a type of math  he learned in high school once whne working with computers DX</p>
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		<title>By: bionelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>bionelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The teacher apparently *didn&#039;t* intend for it to be on a test, so no, they didn&#039;t have to &quot;memorize it to pass a test&quot;.  I&#039;ve had several teachers in several different subjects basically say &quot;You&#039;re never going to use this, and I&#039;m not putting it on the test, but I want to show it to you anyway because I think it&#039;s cool.&quot;  I thought it made things more interesting (probably because I generally thought it was cool, too), and since we knew it wasn&#039;t going to be on the test, we could just sit back, relax, and *enjoy* learning instead of stressing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The teacher apparently *didn&#8217;t* intend for it to be on a test, so no, they didn&#8217;t have to &#8220;memorize it to pass a test&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve had several teachers in several different subjects basically say &#8220;You&#8217;re never going to use this, and I&#8217;m not putting it on the test, but I want to show it to you anyway because I think it&#8217;s cool.&#8221;  I thought it made things more interesting (probably because I generally thought it was cool, too), and since we knew it wasn&#8217;t going to be on the test, we could just sit back, relax, and *enjoy* learning instead of stressing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: bionelly</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51460</link>
		<dc:creator>bionelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh.  Here in Ohio we learned them both in the same class, in 10th grade (although I think you could take it in 9th if you took the AP classes in middle school).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  Here in Ohio we learned them both in the same class, in 10th grade (although I think you could take it in 9th if you took the AP classes in middle school).</p>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51447</link>
		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may *call* you an engineer at work, but if you really don&#039;t use anything beyond basic arithmetic or simple algebra in *any* project then most practicing engineers wouldn&#039;t consider what you do to be engineering. Maybe if you&#039;re doing really low level civil stuff and you get all your formulas from handbooks and canned software it would be possible to pass yourself off as an engineer this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may *call* you an engineer at work, but if you really don&#8217;t use anything beyond basic arithmetic or simple algebra in *any* project then most practicing engineers wouldn&#8217;t consider what you do to be engineering. Maybe if you&#8217;re doing really low level civil stuff and you get all your formulas from handbooks and canned software it would be possible to pass yourself off as an engineer this way.</p>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here I though that for meteorology all you had to learn was how to roll dice and flip coins. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I though that for meteorology all you had to learn was how to roll dice and flip coins. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that RJ might really have been talking about trigonometry rather then geometry as the term is used in US secondary schools. At least in VA where I took it, geometry was all about constructing parallel lines and proving little theorems about angles being equal and so forth. Trigonometry was where you actually learned how to *calculate* angles and do useful applied geometry. That came a year or two later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that RJ might really have been talking about trigonometry rather then geometry as the term is used in US secondary schools. At least in VA where I took it, geometry was all about constructing parallel lines and proving little theorems about angles being equal and so forth. Trigonometry was where you actually learned how to *calculate* angles and do useful applied geometry. That came a year or two later.</p>
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		<title>By: Devylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took geometry in tenth grade.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://graphjam.com/2009/05/27/math-topics-i-will-actually-need-to-use/comment-page-1/#comment-51422</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had a real job (let me guess, sales clerk?) you would use more math. I use linear algebra, diff eq and statistics everyday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had a real job (let me guess, sales clerk?) you would use more math. I use linear algebra, diff eq and statistics everyday</p>
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