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Oh no. I can’t wait for all the fanatic apple fanboys to begin whining.
I have a mac.
It comes with this lovely utility called Boot Camp.
With it, you can partition your drive, install Windows, or any *nix and boot directly into it, running any windows program at native speeds.
Anyone who talks smack on Apple has either never used a mac other than sitting down in front of it for two minutes with a predisposition that they hate it, or they’re just bitter because they can’t afford one.
(comment not necessarily directed at WingedHorse)
If you have to install another operating system on it to make it work, it doesn’t work.
You don’t have to install another operating system to ‘make it work,’ you have to install another operating system if you want to use non macintosh software, the only instances of which I intended to use were certain games.
However, now I can play my PC games using TransGaming’s Cider, so I was able to erase my windows partition.
I can run Windows and Mac OS in parallel with an emulator (parallels desktop or a number of others), I can run Windows on its own.
You can’t run Mac OS on your wintel box.
You can’t use Logic Pro, the main reason I bought the Mac in the first place.
I haven’t turned on my self-built desktop PC in months, only when I want to get music off of my hard drives, its basically now a very expensive hard drive enclosure.
Have fun wiping your windows drive, have fun spending buckets of cash on getting upgrades to keep your system on the latest technology.
My Macbook Pro will still be worth thousands of dollars in a year. My desktop that I spent thousands of dollars on is hardly worth the gold on its board contacts.
GG
windows had virtualization before mac. and you can run mac on pc.
I am aware of the fact that windows can emulate mac os, good luck running Logic Pro or anything SERIOUS on it.
It would be like the time I tried to run Left 4 Dead in parallels while Photoshop was running.
EEEEwwwww
Its actually very easy to put osx on any pc. It runs well on both amd and intel. And I do use logic on my mac that cost me 400 bucks.
PCs are definitely faster than Macs (spoken of same price range).
All Mac users know the beach ball of death!!!
PCs definitely have more compatible software and hardware.
Whatever you’re doing for work or to spent time you have always several choices. Whatever your budget is you have always several choices.
PCs are cheaper to buy, cheaper to fix.
( same applies almost to any Mac hardware )
Simple example. you want to replace your CD drive? A Mac user has to pay almost 20 times more than a PC user at a Mac store, 10 times more if hes risking to open the box of Pandora
With Windows or with a Linux distro a PC is faster, cheaper and more useful than a Mac.
some other facts…
- Mac OS is just a Linux distro with some shiny Icons and not more! Linux is FREE, Mac OS is overpriced!
- Mac OS is easier to hack than Windows and/or Linux.
- There ARE viruses for Mac OS and Apple is selling an overpriced Anti virus software.
- If you ask 5 Mac user why they bought a Mac, 3 of them will answer ” It looks good”, 1 of them will say “Its safer”, the other one still doesn’t know
- Apple is spamming people with their piggyback software.
You want to install Quicktime? It comes with iTunes. Ooh and iTunes comes with Safari. And they all come with Bonjour
- Mac OS and all Apple software is using ridicules amount of ram so you can buy more of their expensive hardware.
Ram upgrade for a normal Mac user = $$$ for ram + $$$$$$$$ to Mac Store to get the ram built in.
- When I see a Mac in your living room I don’t think it looks nice. I think that you’re a douche for paying so much for something that useless.
- When you own a Mac you’re not a designer. Real designers work on PCs.
- When you own a Mac you’re not hip/cool/awesome/…/… , you have wasted your or your parents hard earned money.
My advice, get a PC with decent amount of ram and Windows XP Pro x64. That will be worth every penny. My Pc boots under 15 secs, I can play any game, render a video or graphic, I can browse 20 internet pages, and the best thing is I can do all of it at the same time! Plus, I have spent maybe a quarter for my PC than I would have spent on a Mac that could do the same thing
That post right there as so many inaccuracies and warped, distorted, overly biased information that I’m not even going to bother refuting it.
well it bothered you enough to post something
The truth hurts my friend. I am sooo sorry for you …
… NOT!
Don’t worry ’bout it. The truth can dunk it’s head in a vat of acid. Now, it’s not that it bothered me (there’s already loads of other trolls everywhere), more as you were just BEGGING for someone to respond (that’s what trolls do) so I took the bait because the bait is more rewarding than your response is negative: My knowing that there’s mainly two types of people in the world: The ignorant fanboys and people that laugh at their ignorance.
Hahahahahaha.
WingedHorse was not dissing apple
He was dissing apple fanboys
The only time I ever get the ‘beach ball’ is when I’m listening to a podcast, playing 3 games, watching Twitter, chatting on IRC, and checking my e-mail at the same time.
Well I guess you own a Mac Pro, those are nice machines but still any iMac, Mac mini or Macbook owner will have to face the “beach ball” sooner or later.
Anyone got any anti mac fanboy spray?
Yeah here you are, I’m afraid it’s not compatible with windows vista fanboys though… what am i saying, there’s no such thing.
i got some, its called, theres no virus software for MACs really, so once a decent MAC compatible virus hits the fan, all us PC users will be laughing all the way.
This has actually happened before on my college campus.
A virus was spread throughout one of our apartment complexes
and Apple computers were affected along with the PCs.
So… Much…Win
Ya, the fact is, Mac doesn’t need virus software. Windows on the other hand does. I have had my Mac and PC for the same amount of time, and my PC has gotten multiple viruses, which came back after i deleted them. My Mac on the other hand has not gotten any viruses.
Just goes to show you…even the hackers don’t think a Mac is worth the effort
Then I think you’ve missed something.
http://www.macshadows.com/forums/
You need to lay of the p0rn…
I have had windows and mac – I’ve never had a virus. Ever. And I don’t use anti-virus software.
Maybe I’m just lucky – all the windows ones were free so I expected crappiness and mostly got it (but they were pretty old so I forgive them), while I paid for my mac (yep, it’s expensive – but I personally prefer it to windows)
I am not a mac fangirl, nor a windows non-fangirl – I like computers as long as they don’t break and run iTunes.
Any way my Mac was only $1900 (with applecare – my dad wanted to buy it for me so I didn’t complain) The only thing that I was annoyed with is that a few months later they were selling them for $1400 – $200 less than mine (without applecare).
By the way
That was Australian dollars
I have a MacBook (white)
I have never had the beachball – I think you mean the rainbow spiral thing, and that only came up when running heaps of programs (iTunes, Safari, Sims 2 with extension packs, Photoshop, iMovie, iDVD, Garageband, iPhoto, MSN, Adium, Word and Keynote – I had assignments for Music, English, PDM and IT)
also good luck sharing ram with that parrallel how much did you spend on ram
Legally?
[citation needed]
I feel obligated to mention that, however you may wish to, running OSX on a pc is illegal because of the user agreement
If you spent thousands of dollars on a desktop then you are an idiot. You know you can get them for under $400 now, right? Hell, you can get a Windows laptop for under $400 now. You can get a Sony Vaio with the exact same processor as a $1300 Macbook for $550. Macs hold value simply because they update them annually rather than on a continuous basis like PC makers do. Since Apple no longer manufactures their own processors and they now share so much hardware with PCs, you are paying all that money simply because Apple knows they can get away with charging it.
I didn’t spend thousands of dollars in 1 shot. It costs more money on a regular basis to keep a PC desktop on par with all the current technology. Essentially it started as 1 machine and is now a completely different one with all new components, as the original motherboard, processor, graphics card, ram have all been replaced.
Also, it was pieced together personally, by myself, I didn’t go to best buy and get a Vaio or Gateway. Custom built case, top of the line components, these things cost money.
Apple takes care of it all for you, and they do a god damn good job and their products are sexy as hell.
On a side note, how many apple haters in this thread use iPods, I wonder.
Not me.
considering mechanical products as ’sexy as hell’ may not be very healthy, should get that checked…
Apple didn’t manufacture their processors prior to Intel – Motorola did.
And yes, you can get a Windows PC for $400 bucks, and it’ll be pretty basic. You can also buy a cheap car & it’ll still get you from point A to B, but it’s still pretty basic. But if you spend the money and buy a Mercedes, you get a car that looks good, works well, and tends not to break down all the time. That’s the difference. You spend more money on a Mac to get a product that actually works.
I was a hardcore PC person for over a decade – I built PC’s, repaired & upgraded them, worked on hardware and software. I switched to a Mac 2 years ago, and I’m kicking myself that I didn’t do it sooner.
Do you know how much it costs to fix and maintain a Mercedes?
uhm, yeah. okay.
microsoft sharts out a new operating system once every few years,
then spends the time in between releasing service packs to fix flaws in
the OS. Macs update on a regular basis, generally so fast that any
kind of problem similar to Windows is corrected within hours of it being
discovered.
oh, and did you see Windows 7? it has a Mac OSX dock styled start menu
Ok, one for you. Mac fixes the flaws faster, but flaws they fix nevertheless. And you wouldn’t even know, because the never tell you, what they fix.
Fixes within hours.
Just google for mac exploits and your eyes will be opened. Found 3 unfixed exploits (one to be known for over 5 years)
You think people will actually read this?
yes. I just read your comment
I didn’t.
lol I know that pain. I bought a £400 compaq thing in a pinch because I need it for a specific task and was between lappies (lol), and what a waste of £400. I subsequently had to spend another £200 on kit for it, and eventually downgraded to XP after a year of pain, before I gave up completely when its wireless card died. I was very, very angry and upset and wasted so much time and effort. Now I have a big MBP, and maaan am I happy. I’ll have this beastie for years!!!
lol, sry guys, rally the only way to get a computer that will work great is to build one yourself, or pay your local computer nerd to do it for you, all ur really giving up is tech support, and honestly how helpful are those guys anyway
“is it plugged in”
yes
“are you sure?”
yes
“did you check?”
my brother works for a tech support, the reason they ask those questions is that 60% of the time, that’s the problem
Yeah I work at tech support now and a lot of problems are very
simplistic. In order to not waste 30 minutes on something that
really is THAT simple we have to ask what seem to be very dumb
questions.
Haha, shows what you know. HP’s tech support is mind-smashingly terrific; Dell’s is stupefyingly sucktacular, and Apple’s is just a tiny bit better than Dell’s and nowhere near as great as HP’s. I’m a support analyst and I detest anyone characterizing support as “is it plugged in?” Additionally, you’d be A M A Z E D how many people would go “…. oh. It wasn’t plugged in. Thanks! click”
I had wonderful experience with Gateway tech support a couple of years ago (2006?), but since then I’ve heard they’re mediocre from others…I know I got a nerdy white boy in California who (while waiting for the slow system to work) told me he lives in his parents basement: exactly who I want to diagnose my situation.
That’s the other thing, a Mac will last you many, many years past the time a Winbox is a doorstop. You get what you pay for. Even after they’ll no longer run the current version of the OS, they’re fine for email and web browsing. Try *that* with a box that only runs Win2K.
So, when was the last Mac hardware release? When is the next one? Oh, they are about a year apart? And you needed to update your Mac software twice in about a week? I thought Macs had no flaws and didn’t need such updates. I mist have misunderstood all the preaching and ads about how perfect they are right out of the box.
I find this hilarious, considering Vista has been out for a few YEARS, and it still has all of it’s original bugs. If not more
Yes, but no one expected Vista to be perfect out of the box.
And anyone who has used a Windows operating system expected there
to be many many bugs. Windows generally chooses speed over
efficiency. They get a basic working model of an OS out and then
fix the bugs later. So people can use the new features sooner.
Microsoft chose speed? Wtf planet do you planet do you live on? It took how long to come out with vista … 7 years or something? And Windows 7 is a Vista update with a new name because Vista is a nightmare and everyone knows it.
Apple updates their OS every 1 to 2 years. Vista’s features such as gadgets and the new search function and window flipping stuff are all copies of Mac features, but they aren’t even as well implemented!
If you’re going to reference the ‘greatness’ of macintosh products to windows vista.. then fine, you win and few other than those that have stock in that piece of junk and those that worked on vista themselves will try to deny it. gratz on beating a PoS. but, overall, quality OS’s that don’t need such an excessive degree of features and gadgets that both vista and macs waste so much energy on are what a lot of people want. Honestly, the more processing power I can get from my machine, I’d say the closer to CLI, the better. In the meantime, you be happy with your works-just-for-mac software and brag about how you outrank Window’s 2nd worst (lawl-ME) OS, since it happens to be most recent, and we’ll pay the same amount of money for better machines that we can scale to our needs.
Okay, yes, Mac software updates annually, PC takes LONGER. I had OSX for 1 year, next year Snow Leopard is supposed to come out. I had XP for at LEAST 3 years before VIsta came out. And also, Mac doesn’t come out with updates twice in a week because of flaws, they come out because they are always coming up with new ways to make applications better. And say “Well, mac sux cuz u hav 2 wait 4 all the updates to download” Because it takes about five minutes to do it.
Sorry, whe i said “and say ‘well, mac….” i meant “and Don’t say…..”
Dude, you’re just plain wrong. Macintoshes depreciate even MORE rapidly than other computers. Regular PCs have revolutions in technology once every 18 months, where all the new products come out. Macs have those, but also have artificially created “revolutions” in technology, where Apple makes your case out of a chunk of Aluminum rather than a sheet. It’s just a rule. Macs depreciate more quickly. Sure, yours is still worth 1000, where it was originally 1895, but t doesn’t matter to me: I bought my PC for 900 and got the same thing.
Go on the Apple Website, go to the store, and configure the Mac Pro. Make a nice, $8,297 eight core, maximum terabyte monstrosity of a mac. Then go on http://www.newegg.com and pick all the parts EXACTLY as they are in the Mac Pro, based on the lowest price available for a not used, not refurb, not junk company part. Mine ended up being about $2,351. Almost a $6000 dollar difference. The same ripoff factor applies to any Mac. There’s a faster, better PC out there that can run MacOS for cheaper. Period
You definitely CAN run Mac OS on a wintel box, look up Hackintoshes.
No gg, you’re just retarded. You took the wrong pill.
I’m pretty sure Hackintoshes is illegal, so, ya.
I’m pretty sure Mike J. is a douche, so, ya.
Lol omg guise, running mac on pc is bad lolol. brb gunna go use limewire lol
Show your work. I DID try that and came up with a difference of less than 500$ and lots of people would pay that to have tech support and teh thing completed (with OS installed) when they take it out of the box. When you say SAME PARTS, you must not m
Damn. Hit the add button too fast.
you must not mean EXACT same. ECC RAM, server mobo, 1000wat PSU and so forth. The CPU RAM MOBO and PSU alone are prolly more than 2300$ I donlt even know what I would value the case and cooling at. Apple uses very reliable and powerfull fans. Sometimes they are quiet too.
Macs run hot as hell, i could fry some eggs on a macbook. powerful fans my ass, they may be quiet but they dont do alot.
are you using windows XP?Vista? Unless you are using the first version of windows you’ve every seen, at some point you upgraded your operating system or bought a new computer. either way your “didn’t work either”.
see how stupid your comment is now?
operating systems (software) can be purchased optionally at anytime.. has NOTHING to do with (harware) working… cept the fact that it must work to run an OS.
wow some people are really computer illiterate.
I bought a mac, used it for a week, realized it sucked incredibly, sold it, bought a PC and haven’t regretted it since.
That’s because you didn’t use it long enough to get used to the differences between the mac o/s and windows.
The difference is that mac sucks, windows rules.
Ive had a mac too, ive used macs before. They suck. Im an it expert, and the only system i use ever is windows. if i go somewhere and use their computer and its a mac, i say “U got a pc?” and if they say no, i use my psp to go online.
Your oh-so elite use of “sucks” and “rules” belie your eminent superiority and knowledge as a specialist in operating systems and user interfaces.
Not.
ha! Awesome.
You forgot his “professional” name of Cmoney………er wait……..cmOn3y………..
Hmm… you are an expert… oh… sorry, ‘Im an it expert’ and yet you use a PSP instead of a computer with a different OS… how can you be an expert, if you are only doing things which can be done online on a PSP the general differences between a Mac and PC are very small.
really? an it ‘expert’ that has limited knowledge about how the Mac OS works?
you sound like a real expert to me…
I’m just a nerd teenager, and I use Ubuntu, but I also have a mac.
I like OS X’s software compatibility, but I prefer Ubuntu for its package management, configurability, hardware support, and ease of installing and using the WINE binary compat layer for Windows apps.
Windows is a joke.
While OS X is really unparalleled in terms of polish, and exposé is a very solid multitasking mechanism in my opinion, Ubuntu is quicker to install and a TON more versatile. Today when Jaunty alpha 6 comes out, I’m going to download it, and install it on my 4 GB flash drive. –and it’ll take me a whole of maybe 40 minutes and pretty much no brain use. For all Windows ‘hardware support’, I still haven’t seen anyone do that with it, and if they did, it wouldn’t have been anywhere near that simple for them.
Nerds are hot.
I married one….
..I’m also one.
(also I use a Mac.
)
Macs and PCs have their place…. I’d rather run Linux on a PC, though.
Windows can kiss it. I am an Apple Systems Engineer (not employed
BY Apple) and I also have my certs and experience in the PC world. I
CHOOSE Mac because the total cost of ownership is lower over the life
of the machine. (just ask some of the Fortune 100 companies that I support)
I also choose Mac for stability, resistance to security breaches, and ease
of use. The fact that this chart showed Music as a low usage for a Mac
shows that the ‘grapher’ OBVIOUSLY does not know about Logic Pro (being
HEAVILY migrated to from Pro Tools here in Nashville, TN) and GarageBand’s
popularity…. not to mention iTunes being one of the absolute LARGEST
on- and offline music players.
the only reason the cost over the life of the machine is lower is because you cannot upgrade a Mac while a PCs life can be extended by upgrading.
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather pay $1000 for a brand-new computer that has complete compatibility then spend $5000 to extend the life of a computer that doesn’t work properly
What exactly can you not upgrade on a Mac? The hard drives, logic board, ram, video card or other pieces of hardware? Oh wait, you can.
GOV doesn’t apparently know much more than what he sees in his bland beige cubicule. #1 – the Army moved all of its webservers to apple because of its resistance to attack. Before apple, they were hacked hunderds of times a day, after Mac hardly a breach at all. #2 – The FBI has moved most of its CT and forensic servers and systems to Mac for them same reason – practically impervious to hacking. #3: if the Gov went to Mac, they wouldn’t be employing thousands of people to support the never quite working right MacroSuck crap they currently use. thus tanking the economy even more. Th gubnit goes for cheapest cost at point of purchase, they don’t care about cheapest to maintain. if they did, they would be using macs.
::nod nod:: At one point the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff used Powerbooks because of their (relative) inability to be hacked and (relative) invulnerability to viruses and spyware. I doubt this is still the case, but there you go.
Also… when had anyone ever trusted the Government?
That’s because windows has a more official UI(User Interface). mac and windows are about the same thing. MOST, not all, of the software on a mac is similar to those of PC. and just for people who don’t know, Mac came out first.
If mac wanted that they could. They could run games just as well as win if they had directx. Fewer viruses and HW issues.
Besides. Not like the GOv is the smartest bunch of people in the first place.
Thats kinda like saying the mayor of Hooterville uses Vista so it must be good.
it is a very poor assesment to assume everybody in the government is a fool because of their OS. Nobody is saying mac cant run games as well as PC, unfortunately nobody makes decent games for mac. i wonder why…
There are loads of good games for Mac, this forum is full of stupid talking point given to consumers by corporations, coming from both sides. It’s kind of like a Dems v. Republicans forum, just a bunch of people who parrot the one liners they have been fed without understanding anything about what they are saying.
Microsoft and Apple are both bastard corporations that exist because they make market viable products that appeal to their consumer base. Microsoft has always been good at marketing and selling cheap, inexpensive copies of Apple products (you think I am making this up, read some history on it first… Microsoft wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for Apple, probably) and Apple has been good at appealing to their elitist fanboy club (of which, I admit I am a member.) If you want Apple to keep making better Apple stuff, and you want Microsoft to keep making (better?) Microsoft stuff, then we want both companies to stay afloat. If there wasn’t competition we wouldn’t have ever seen the iPod and Microsoft’s answer of the Zune. Sorry Tim, that rant wasn’t supposed to be directed at you.
Yeah, Windoze Drules.
Only difference here is ignorance. HA! It’s apparent you have yet to realize the truth. Should I tell you? Do you deserve to know? No, I think not, ta ta.
your on crack
only your mothers
Not only did I use a Mac for almost a year, but I am a photographer, and photography is one of those things Macs are supposed to be better for. I hated it. When I was considering installing Windows using bootcamp, I asked the Apple specialist at Microcenter in Cambridge MA and he yelled at me. So I did. It worked fine, but I agree with whoever said that if you need to install a second operating system, the first one does not work. Eventually I sold the Mac, went back to HP and have been happy ever since.
Also, has anyone noticed how the EU is now investigating Apple for the same monopolistic practices that Apple cultists (because owning an Apple is like joining a cult) claim only Microsoft does.
Apple IS a cult, have you seen their adverts, the people in them are like 5 minutes away from chanting steve jobs and burning PC users.
used mac extensively, can afford one, computer tech for a living, still dont like mac. so suck it.
“…because EVERYBODY knows that Apple products are just BETTER! And anyone who says otherwise is just a big dumb idiot! So there!”
Or something like that.
all well and good but me, I got a Mac to AVOID Window OSs
I have a crappy PC that I use for Win-based programs
I got an Ubuntu Dell for the same reason.
..and paid half as much, sucker.
Unless, of course, you got yours refurbished.
Uh, you are aware that we’re talking about Mac OS here, not the Macs themselves.
No-one’s really listening I’m afraid
I have a mac and I don’t know of any useful programs that windows has, that don’t have a better counterpart on the mac. Don’t need to partition or install sh*t on this guys comp.
thats probably because you use your mac to jerk off to porn and post fanboy comments on websites.
lets see, i can spend near 2 grand on a macbook and have to install windows on it do useful things, or i can buy a $800 laptop with the same parts and then just hackintosh it and get the same thing. Hell, i can just VMware under windows and run OSX inside that. nothing macs do are all that resource intensive (unless your audio decoding, in which windows has the same or better programs), so no problems.
So you are saying that you ‘have to install Windows on a Mac to do useful things’, however you need to install Hackintosh (Illegal by the way) on a Windows to get the same thing… which I assume means you would then getting Bootcamp or something similar to load Windows onto your Mac partition of a Windows computer… which makes no sense as you had a windows to start with.
APPLE RULES!!!
WINDOWS IS A CHEAP PIECE-O-CRAP!!!
ANYONE WITH A WINDOWS COMPUTER IS JUST TOO POOR TO AFFORD AN APPLE!!!
… my point is apple is better than windows.
for maths geniuses: apple > windows
only ‘maths geniuses’ understand inequalities these days, huh?
Notice the caps lock, he isnt very smart.
I know right. I love my mac
Yes, but why buy a mac just to install windows on it? Why not buy a PC and already have the greatest OS running on it. Also theres one category that Macs will never beat PCs in, and it’s the reason why everyone owns a computer…Games!
You know what’s really funny about this?
Mac has already beat Windows in gaming.
you can do the same for windows i have linux slackware im here and mac
You got your wish!
Absolutlyyyyy
as u said..
consider yourself served.
Oh, I’m an “Apple Fanboy”, but I still find the general premise funny.
The one I don’t get though is “Music”. I thought the Mac had a reputation (deserved or not,) for being the ‘artsy’ platform… I’m not saying “Music” should be at 100%, but you’d think it would be above 50%.
LOL Winged Horse! I get so tired of it.
iknowright?
It’s really annoying that Apple computers can’t run Microsoft Visio. I’ve had to use it for several school projects, so I don’t know why my school would even buy computers that can’t run it.
No, we use OmniGraffle which can open and save Visio files if desired. There are other charting apps available too.
The biggest reason PC users think there isn’t software available for Macs is because it didn’t even occur to them that maybe there are other applications that perform the exact same function. Useful applications don’t have to come from Microsoft.
No, but they usually do.
Um… NO. There are typically equivalents that are as good as MS’s apps.
The only app I miss is Picture It (MS’s photo editor). I can’t get used to GIMP, don’t need Photoshop, and I was used to the interface. Still haven’t found one that I like.
Well, if you want something similar to MS Paint you could try this:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/imaging_3d/paintbrush.html
PHHHWWWAAHHHH!!! Spoken like someone who’s never had to work at tech support.
heh, yeah there might be ONE
But pc’s can have about 15 that do the same thing. suck it.
I dunno….Isn’t it better to have one program that works properly than to have 15 that don’t?
There are a couple of different applications for Mac that open and modify Visio files.
Is it just me, or does this make no sense? Did this really get voted in? Really?
Moron spotted !
Geez, you don’t have to be a jackass. We have Macs at the house and they run better than our Windows machines. So piss off.
thats probably cause your windows machines are running 95.
Let’s just agree that porn works, no matter what the medium.
I recommend OS X and/or Ubuntu for porn.
Sketchy stuff like that can take a Windows machine to the woods and tear its head off.
are we talking about a windows 95 or a REAL PC
So…… Let me get this straight. You think that only the new OSes are Real PCs?
No but I’m saying 95 was TERRIBLE.
meh, not that bad. obsolete now, naturally, but other than security flaws, which at the time were less relavent, had no real reason to b considered ‘TERRIBLE’
Windows ‘95 was pretty revolutionary for the PC world, granted it looked exactly like the Next computer’s OS; which was a Steve Jobs project while he wasn’t with Apple (for being an arrogant douche jackass and nearly succeeded in destroying Apple.) Ah, useless tidbits.
Win.
Flamewar…Start!
I guess the entire Adobe and Microsoft suites aren’t useful on my Mac
Why are people just lying? Adobe and Microsoft products both work perfectly on my Macs and I’ve been in business for 15 years and using Macs since 1987. I’ve never ever had a problem running Windows based software on the Mac. You used to need an emulator but it was not pricy. But, that said there is tons of Mac software that actually works better than Windows software. I suspect that is what underlies this graph.
Microsoft Visio does not work on Macs. Hopefully you’ll never need to use it in your business.
Businesses that use it now don’t need to use it in their businesses. It’s as much a time-waster as Powerpoint.
Why the crap would any business want to run Visio? It’s an archaic program
that does absolutely nothing that OpenOffice (for Mac and PC), or any other
perfectly fine freeware based program could do.
OOH vector imaging.. how amazing..
So you had to get the Mac to pretend it was Windows to get certain products to work correctly? And you had to PAY for the ability to get your Mac to pretend it was Windows? Does anyone every wonder why there is no Mac emulation software out there?
nope!
Because the Mac OS EULA expressly states that the Mac OS software must run on Apple hardware…?
In my OPINION — because that’s all it really is in the end, is an OPINION — anyone who thinks the Mac doesn’t have ‘useful’ software either has never used one, or isn’t looking hard enough…
You realize Tufte was employing irony right?
What’s pricey is the damn copy of Windows you have to buy unless you use CrossOver. And CrossOver isn’t compatible with Office 07, parts of Office 03, or a lot of other things.
OTOH Parallels and VMware run Windows in a window faster and more stably (is that a word?) than any Winbox I’ve ever seen. Which figures since the Mac is basically a $2000 Winbox with UNIX and a giant fat GUI.
What’s pricey is the version of Office 07 for Windows you just bought when you own a Mac and could have just bought Office 08 for Mac. Seriously, don’t tell me that you can’t run Windows software on your Mac when you can just buy Mac software for your Mac. The “real work” applications that people use every day (with the exception of Visio and Outlook) are all available for the Mac platform.
Additionally, I know I’m the exception, but I’d wager in my academic environment, 9/10 folks use OpenOffice 3 for all their word processing, spreadsheet or presentation needs. It’s Office compatible for when you need to interact with drones, it’s free, and it’s compatible with the three major platforms (Windows, Linux, MacOS).
If you want to bitch, bitch about games, at least there you’ve got half a leg to stand on. Windows games DO require either Bootcamp + Windows, or Crossover (not 100% compatibile), and there aren’t usually equivalents on the Mac platform, except for a few items like Blizzard or Maxis stuff.
I’monna have to look at OO’s email client; the reason I’d be running Office Win components on a Mac is because Entourage sucks like the biggest black hole in the Universe.
Ohh! I know this one! Microsoft was originally making software for Macs (since Microsoft was founded), and, the original Windows OS had to be bought from an independent coder!
I can feel my hair beginning to singe already.
Independance Day reference WIN
I’m glad someone noticed =]
Actually someone made an awfully similar graph with the same reference just about 1 year ago (click name).
Which so called “useful software” is not avaible on the mac?
* Microsoft Office: compatible
* Adobe Creative Suite: compatible
* Developer Software: compatible
* Authoring Software: compatible
* Modern Browsers: compatible
So WTF??
Don’t forget:
Microsoft Windows: compatible
I thought we were talking about useful software.
Win.
Lin.
To the haters, the only “useful software” would be games and l33t h4x (aka scripts written by others which they run by pushing a button, thus confirming their mad skillz.)
Hey! Sometimes they have to double click, give credit where it’s due to these giants of computing intellect
No, Microsoft Visio does not work on Macs.
No, OmniGraffle does. Do you really believe Microsoft is the only software developer in the world?
win
I haven’t found a Microsoft Picture It premium that is mac compatible.
So yes, there is SOME software that isn’t.
There is plenty of useful software on macs, especially for video/graphic editing.
Now, you can make fun of the lack of gaming compatibility all you want
But, oh. Wait. They make all the new ones dual processors so you can play games too.
Never mind.
Yes the dual processors are amazing next to my custom quad processor… yeah macs are great next to my PC
2 processors one cpu, imo.
Oh, hey, apple makes an 8-core system
If you tried that you’d burn down your cardboard box
i know since yours burnt down last night neighbor
Which will really be amazing next to my 8 core mac.
EPIC WIN!
osx ftw
I bet each core isn’t octal threaded.
I bet if it was it’d be running Solaris.
All Mac workstations run on twin dual-core Xeon chips. There is also one that has twin quad-core Xeons. For power and stability vs. price, it beats the crap outta custom Winboxen costing half again as much.
According to this logic, 8 core PS3 > 4 core PC. Latching onto one spec and proclaiming it the defining measure of superiority is a Bad Thing ™.
Besides, it doesn’t matter how many cores are in your Mac, PC, PlayStation or whatever. It’ll still run Linux, so why argue?
That’s like the old megahertz wars. Whatta fail!! = )
cause linux is even worse than mac os… your on the wrong forum
According to netcraft:
[quote]http://graphjam.com was running nginx on Linux when last queried at 13-Mar-2009 15:14:19 GMT[/quote]
Here’s the page to see for yourself: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=graphjam.com
No, I think I got the right forum.
Meh, couldn’t care less really.
According to netcraft, GraphJam is running nginx on Linux. So no, I think I did get the right forum after all.
and that’s what we complain about. apple did not make their computers for gaming. if they had, they would have made them easily windows compatible. sure, apple has far superior graphic, photo, and video editing software. but guess what? i can use it all on my PC, for about half the price of an equal mac. AND i can play games.
Um, the real issue is GPUs–apart from the Pro, your graphics card options are really limited. Since GPUs have a lot more to do with gaming preformance than CPUs at this time, that’s a big limiting factor.
/uses both Mac and PCs, like both.
PC Fanboy wank FAIL
Wrong blog.
I am a HUGE fan of the personal computer..
…as long as it’s running a decent unix-like operating system.
Nothing against the mac lovers, I wanted one for a really long time but then I realized:
I play poker online, and my poker client isn’t supported.
My TV turner/software isn’t supported.
Despite the dual processors, most games still aren’t supported
But yea, most of that is not really “useful” software. Just entertainment.
Have you ever considered whether aren’t the online service provider, TV tuner manufacturer or game developer the ones who should support not just Windows but also Mac OS X and Linux?
Since Apple switched to Intel, the problem is simply not on the Macs’ site. Apple has absolutely zero chance to develop a driver for your TV card or port Microsoft’s ActiveX (for your poker) on the Mac.
The developers are the ones who should start developing for multiple platforms. (E.g. using Flash, Java instead of ActiveX, OpenGL instead of DirectX etc.) And you as a customer should only buy/use products that do support multiple platforms and promote open standards (even if you require just a particular one).
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8
That is why. It doesn’t make sense. Remember, everyone, it is not a simple matter of flipping a switch to have support for a new OS, it costs a lot of cash, and it isn’t really warranted for that 10% market share increase.
Same reason there are so few viruses written for Macs. Why waste your time for something that few people use.
That’s why I bagged on Windows for a used Mac; I couldn’t keep up with the antivirus and anti-spyware suites I had to keep running on Windows to keep the machine from dying in a shrieking crash. Things are better these days though, now that we have AVG, Avast, and Malwarebytes.com.
Er, Malwarebytes.org.
So you’re saying developers should make programs multi-system compatible and we should all buy a mac when they do… you sir are a fanboy
No Sir, I’m a software engineer and never used a Mac.
There is no way to create a system that can run _everything_. Only developers can restrict themselves not using solutions which bounds the result to a particular platform. For example: if you use standard C++, Java, Flash, it will run everywhere. If you base your product on proprietary and unknown Windows components, then it is *NOT* possible for Mac or Linux to support that, because the specifications are not available.
Adobe’s products run on Mac because Adobe created this products capable of running on multiple systems, and not the other way around. Apple can not make a Windows-only app run on Mac (except virtualizing whole Windows for it).
And that is why i use a PC that runs 10 times better than a mac and has about 1000 more compatible programs for it.
That is why you suck. 90% of those progarms are viruses and crapware. BTW a Mac is also just a kind of PC. We are talking here about operating systems… And you probably have not yet realized in life that different ppl have different needs.
If i need to record music and mix it i will use adobe soundbooth, i know it’s on macs but the idea that macs are better for musicians is preposterous, sure they have things like logic studio but i can get better quality with a midi creator, i am a part time artist i bought a mac as a second system because i heard so much about it being good for artists and musicians… i used fluid and artrage to make a picture spent 5 hours doing it, ten seconds later i did one on my PC on corelDraw which looked ten times better, i speak from experience Mac sucks PC is better end of story.
Core Hell Draw?
Are you f*cking serious?
Core Hell Draw is the Antichrist of draw programs. Real artists bailed on Core Hell Draw when it still came on floppy disks. I was gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, but sorry, your’e insane.
“Core Hell Draw” It wasn’t funny the first time you typed it. Stoooop.
That’s what we in the prepress business call it, when we tell people we don’t accept Core Hell Draw files for prepress work.
yes, Mac and PC are not mutually exclusive. Sure. I am glad that the Mac work (esp it’s advertising) has done soooo much to help us understand that they are not mutually exclusive.
correction xbox360 has 3 power pc cores in it running each at 3.2 GHz.
and they are made by intel. they have yet to put that kind of power in
mac
Do you know anything about Macs? Macs were switched over to Intel processors a few years ago.
IT’S CALLED RESEARCH
PowerPC is a consortium of Apple (who have now backed out of it), IBM and Motorola. There is NO Intel involvement in PowerPC. The chips in the XBox are not “made by Intel.”
Why would i want to buy a PC for $2500 with the exact same components as a Mac, i might as well buy a cardboard box, it’d probably run faster. And for $2500 i could buy and connect 4 motherboards each running quad core with 24GB of RAM, 8 graphics cards (all SLI) and any other stuff i want and run it from my shed, so why on gods earth would i want a PCMac for that price
I just realized i should do that.
Or someone creating a WINE bottle. = )
He’s not saying buy a mac, you twit. he’s just saying that everyone should be multi platform be it whether you are a mac, a PC, or a peguin. Which i am all three.
YOUR A PENGUIN OMG HOW U SRVIVE ON LANDS?!
More pertinent question is, how difficult is it to type when all you got is flippers?
= )
That’s easy. He pecks at each key.
Yes sure, Macs are perfect, it is just all other software that is flawed. Okay
Basically
Seriously though, I had more problems and more down time with my WinPC than I do my Mac.
I’ll be the first to say macs aren’t perfect. But they’re closer to perfection than WinPCs are, IMO
@Everyone – MLD just gets to be the target of my reply.
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Either OS can work just as good either way, and that’s just about been proven by both sides in this trite debate. Some people are more accustomed to Macs, some to PCs, and some to Linux/Unix/Whatever. Some people have specific needs that can’t be filled on a particular OS. (Personally, not a Mac-guy, more of a Win/Lin combo, but that’s neither here nor there.) The fact is, there are equally good arguments to each side, so both sides ought to take their collective sticks outta their asses and deal with it. PCs are more game/software-friendly, Macs are virus-free and have good software, and penguins hack into them all and do what they want. It’s preference – quit trying to prove your OS’s dominance over the others – it clearly isn’t working.
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Also, enough with the “this one’s better, and if you can’t shell out the bucks for it, sucks to be you” bull. You just sound like an elitist douche. You know who you are.
I totally agree. It is kind of pathetic the people attach so much emotional value in successful marketing campaigns. The Mac clearly wasn’t designed with 100% of people out there in mind and neither was Windows. I would like to see this kind of heated debate about Nike v. Adidas or something equally ridiculous.
And by the I clearly mean that. Grammar check fail.
Macs are about 10% of the market share, and have never ever really had much more in recent history. It is kind of absurd to ask every software producer to go through very stringent mac requirements for software dev (which IS hell and IS actually something mac imposes on those wishing to dev for their OS) just for that 10% bump, which probably holds few potential customers anyways.
There aren’t actually any requirements to develop for macs. The tools come with the system, and you don’t have to pay for them. You might be confusing it with iPhone development, which requires every app to be looked over before it gets put on the store. But you can make any kind of app for Macs in Xcode and sell it.
Oh, maybe this. Duh.
But that would imply that most software developers use macs
Yeah, Apple is frickin’ HARD on developers, that’s for sure.
Maybe the developers should write multiplatform software, but then that takes twice as long and costs twice as much money, and since statistically the majority of people run windows, the additional cost would probably not produce enough returns to justify it. If more people earned Macs, then developers would have more incentive to develop for it, but as much as people bitch about Windows, it generally does what people need it to. Switching to OSX for most people would require relearning how to operate a computer, which they don’t have the time or patience for.
Me personally? I run Windows for a few reasons: A, I know that any software I need will run on it (as an engineering student, the inability to run any Autodesk product would be crippling); B, I know the OS inside and out and can get it to do just about anything I want; C, A number of Apple’s business policies have put me off; D, Mac ads that blatantly lie about the stability of Windows; and E, I’ve played around on OSX. I just don’t like the UI. It’s that simple.
Huh, those are pretty much my reasons as well. Well put. As you said, though, it’s all in the preference.
Yes, but if you had a Mac, you could have chosen a Mac compatible tuner, poker, etc. They do exist.
That means you would have to shell out even more AFTER buying the mac which is already overly expensive.
Ruckus, a free music DL site directed to college students wasn’t mac compatible when I looked at it.
I don’t find aspects of C|Net Mac hostile though. I get newsletters from them for my Mac, unless we’re talking different aspects of the site.
I’m of the mind-frame that “people have their own preferences” but I’ve gotta ask… What’s the deal with all this talk of Win computers being rampant with spyware and viruses? I’ve had maybe a couple get to my computers in my life that weren’t immediately smacked by the Anti-Virus software. I still got rid of them before they could really do anything noticeable, either way. Sure, that’s a couple more than any Mac user could vouch for, but what’s a couple of viruses in your life? Most people make it sound like a PC contracts a virus every time it loads a page, and I just don’t get that.
Agreed, it’s all because of the lies spread by TV (Apple ads I’m looking at you)
It’s mostly because of users who don’t know WTF they’re doing. I’ve had very minimal problems running my PC since I pulled my head out of my ass and learned a bit about how they worked. I haven’t had a virus in probably 5 years, and don’t have significant spyware problems either.
Yes, but at least the users who “don’t know WTF they’re doing” can survive on a Mac.
Like I said, perhaps they’re better off using a Mac, then. But either way, if they are that computer-tarded, then they’ve got more to worry about than contracting a computer virus…
It’s because YOU have the common sense to (a) not surf dangerous sites and (b) nuke invaders as soon as you get them. If you worked any three days running in an organization that gives laptops to their sales staff, you would live the nightmare I have lived. I pulled 2500 – two thousand five hundred – occurrences of spyware and hijackware off of one laptop once, and this was after he’d only had the thing for six months. And it’s not like we don’t set up our machines and our proxy to prevent such things. It was hellish.
Um, I work in antivirus support, and you’ll never guess… I have had 1-2 virus calls for Mac (and they were MACRO VIRUSES). Windows, however… you miss a critical security patch and you’re hosed.
just curious…. how is music not compatible?? what about iTunes?? (>_<)
Hence the partial compatibility. Although admittedly less of an issue since they have started making major strides to ditching DRM, I’d still only bump that bar up to 75-80% (just unlock all the old DRMed songs as well already!).
For some, compatibility is not just a technical issue, but an ethical one as well.
Macs are the best for recording music, so I don’t know why Music isn’t very high on the chart. What musician would use a PC??
One with taste.
Taste? You said you use Adobe Soundbooth.
I’m a professional in the music industry. Every professional studio I’ve ever worked in has had a pretty even mix of Mac & PC systems running ProTools, and rarely anything else.
Your posts only speak about the level of your own skills (obviously minimal if it took you 5 hours to make a graphic), and nothing of the quality of the systems you have used.
the only time i record something is a sound effect or a voice for an animation and soundbooth works perfectly for me (and that graphic was a 50″ by 50″ digitally drawn painting which i worked on using a grid square by square, and after the intense drawing the coloring took about half that time)
you forgot three letters there;
withOUT
nope, not really, i think i wrote it right the first time. (not talking about grammar so leave it alone nazis)
Maybe it’s because it’s not about the hardware but the iTunes Music which only can be played with itunes or Ipods. Same goes for the would be suporior software, which only works on Mac Hardware. Restrictions of any kind are not a feature but a bug. So If Mac OS was so much better than other OS, how come it is not offer for other hardware? Because it is designed for a specific hardware. If it had to work on such a variaty of Components it would be as flawed as Windows.
BTW PC!==Microsoft
And whoever mentioned he had to spend thousands of dollars to keep up with the hardware: Poor fool, you can’t do that on Macs because the Mac Hardware is upgraded once a year at best. And secondly why would you want to have the best in the first place, if your hardware works fine for yours, especially on PCs.
Spend more money for better hardware on MAC? Laughable. Why should the hardware be any different. In fact who started this rumor? The CPU is from Intel, same as with PC. Graphic is too. Harddisk? Better than Seagate? Doubt it.
RAM? Well, what’s in there Munchkin, OCZ, Corsair, G.Skill? No, well then who cares. So whats better? Third resistor from the right, second row? You guys are so desperately looking for crappy arguements to hold your pityfull MAC high it’s almost funny.
hahaha, Yeah so true. great graph!
^^RBR
I hate people who think all mac users are fanboys. Now watch while I fanboy macs.
Yes that doesn’t make a good argument
You didn’t even MAKE an argument.
He was talking about your argument, sport.
So, preferring something to another makes you a fanboy? Gee, I guess I’m a mayonnaise fanboy since I prefer it to Miracle Whip.
The fanboy argument is ridiculous.
If your mayonnaise comes with a sticker of the company logo, and you drove around in your Prius with that sticker in the back window, and then criticized Miracle Whip, claiming that it came after mayonnaise, and then told Mirical Whip users they were using an inferior product, then yes, you would be a mayonnaise fanboy.
I admit. I am a Mac fanboy. You want to know why? Because my Mac works goddamn well. Every Mac I have ever used has worked extremely well. I have never gotten I virus on my Mac. My Mac has crashed maybe twice. MAYBE. Also, every win computer I have very used has crashed on me and has needed many virus protection updates. And my first Mac was a couple years older than my first PC. Basically, the PC was nice, but very slow and the Mac (older) was faster. Macs work. End of story.
This.
Just this.
Ever heard of PEBKAC? No wonder your PC crashed. My PCs worked fine so far, never had a virus, crashed some times because auf faulty Webcam driver.
if you had any HALF-decent PC the virus updates would fly by with you barely noticing a small icon at the bottom of the screen, and 80% of PC crashes are due to human error.
Yes, but I would rather not need to see those updates. I’d rather know that I won’t get viruses than to know that my virus protection has been updated.
No he would just be arrogant.
If he said Mayo was better than MW and never stated any reasons why, or stated ones that were wrong or irrelevant, he would be a mayoboy.
Other usual traits are never admitting the object of affection ever does anythign wrong, and pouring more money than necessary into the company.
You can ad leet speak for flair if you want.
I’m in an all-Mac office (about 20 machines). Hundreds of PC-only programs won’t run on our Macs. I’m talking viruses. We haven’t had a virus on any of our machines since 1990. We feel so left out, so unproductive.
Maybe the compatibility chart could have included another bar for “Viruses.”
Oh, we Mac folks are so defensive.
The reason macs don’t get any viruses is because the people who make viruses know that the mac users are suffering enough already, trying to even use there macs, that they just leave them alone.
Funny… I was able to make the switch from Win to Mac relatively easily–very little trouble learning as I went. but then again, I was openminded about it too.
PS: Another benefit of Mac v Win? If you do need tech support, you call ONE number for EVERYTHING (hardware, native software, some installed software, Every little thing is handled by Apple techs, instead of calling Dell/HP/Acer/etc for something only to be told it’s an OS issue and call windows)
if you need tech support you deserve to have to call about 50 numbers, 90% of all computer problems stem from human error (i know from experience i’ve worked tech support)
You sound like the kind of tech support person that wouldn’t even get an interview working for my tech support organization.
Yeah, people who need tech supports are idiots. I called one time because the power went out while I was installing drivers for my new HP printer. The drivers were not fully installed so I tried to remove them and install again after the power came back up. Ended up refusing to install, so I killed manually every single file that was installed, uninstalled all installed drivers and killed as many registry entries I could find. I obviously didn’t find everything, which is what finally prompted the call into tech support… proved fruitless, the agent didn’t know what the registry was. Ended up just plugging the damn thing into my Mac. Worked instantly without a clunky oversized required install. I also used to provide high level support for BES servers, frequently received calls from very, very smart admins with 160k + salaries that had been in the business nearly as long as I have been alive… In short, tech support isn’t for idiots, and it is very nice to have just one number to call. (Some of the agents on the other hand… well, let’s be honest, if you have been in the business long enough to be good at it, do you really want to answer phones all day?)
Yup, you are. There are no viruses for macs because no one cares and no one uses them. To again quote the 10% market share number… they just don’t have to deal with the things that windows does. They don’t have the legions of hackers and other assholes constantly TRYING to destroy them with ciruses and spyware. There aren’t enough Macs to even spread infections well anyways. It would be like trying to code a human virus that only could infect blacks and releasing it in Canada. As far as crashes etc, they control the hardware and software to such an insane degree (why they are so expensive) that would be impractical to handle the market share windows holds. It is possible to spend about 75% of what you would spend on a mac and have just as stable and secure a PC as a mac, but most just take the economical route and spend about 30% of what they would spend on a mac, get the same performance, and deal with occasional issues, to which macs are not immune. But typically, just not being a retard will keep any machine running fine.
“But typically, just not being a retard will keep any machine running fine.”
That doesn’t say much, considering 90% of Windows users are retards.
Back under the bridge with ye!
Ha. Not so much, just felt the need to get a zinger in there.
“There are no viruses for Mac” is only partially true.
There IS malware. Not standard viruses, but there are trojans and I think a worm or two.
There’s a couple of viruses for macs but because their users are so spread out it’s hard for them to spread
No mac os x virus has ever been reported in the wild.
That’s because animals in the wild use PC not Mac.
And sophisticated and evolved humans use Macs not Winboxen. = )
You contradict yourself.
Try again.
Neither had I, so what?
Blarg I can’t comment!
hey now I can!
Trying to be constructive, if instead of “useful software” it said something like “The one application I need for this project,” I think it would have been more accurate and elicited more sympathy from the Mac users among us.
Well, the point is to be funny, which in Mac’s case usually means making it the butt of the joke.
Trying to elicit sympathy from a Mac user for knocking their computers would be like trying to elicit sympathy from Tom Cruise for knocking Scientology. Steve Jobs = L. Ron Hubbard.
Could have daid “PC well known SW” instead.
most GNU SW works on mac bcause it is unix.
This.
what’s allen ships?
Alien ship – independence day
I love how PC users call mac users who defend themselves “fanboys.” There would be no need to defend ourselves if we were not attacked. Also learn your history without apple there would be no PC. Also apple was first, microsoft was second. point made.
Apple may have made it but Microsoft perfected it.
wow. there are so many wrong things in that samll line of writing im not even going to prove you ignorant ass wrong.
You probably can’t prove him wrong because you have a samll penis.
that, or because you KNOW Macs suck balls, and windows rules.
“Wow. There are so many things wrong in that same line of writing that I am not even going to prove your ignorant ass wrong.”
Is that what you meant? If so, here are your errors:
“wow” should be capitalized
“there” should be capitalized
“samll” should read “same”
“im” should be both capitalized AND written as either “I’m” or “I am”
“you” should be “your”
Other than that, you clearly show who has an ignorant ass.
You are really going to point out every grammatical mistake on a BLOG? Wow! BTW: “Same reason there are so few viruses written for Macs. Why waste your time for something that few people use.”
Shouldn’t you have said “Why waste your time for something that few people use?”?
With the question mark? Huh?
One mistake versus several. Isn’t that a lot like the “PCs are virus-ridden. Macs are not.” argument?
yet no-one notices homers mistake
“samll” should read “small” not “same”
Homer was pointing out the irony of the situation. fr3z3rburn made a comment that could be overwhelmingly applied to his/her own post.
How can you have an ignorant ass?
It’s a good thing you don’t use a mac Daemon, you’d be able to troll 5 times as fast.
Oh? I didn’t know that anything was compatible with Safari anymore
.
Why would i want my page to load slower than it’s already fast 0.2 second loading speed?
So? Henricg Globel invented the light bulb. Edison took what he invented, made it useful and called it his own. Edison gets credit.
Daemon,
GET A LIFE! did you really have nothing better to do than write a totally unnecessary story on here? We get it…you dont like Macs….but please keep your gay fantasies between you and your significant other. No one wants to read that on here.
While I disagree wholeheartedly, I have to admire your creative pornographic writing skills.
He didn’t originally write it, but it is still hillarious.
Yeah, I’ve seen that before.
true it is copied but it was gonna appear sometime and i totally agree with it
Stockholm syndrome at its finest.
/linux guy.
If Ubuntu switched to the OpenSolaris kernel tomorrow, I wouldn’t be a linux user anymore.
..not that that’s going to happen, but why the heck are you telling people what kernel you use?
Hey, at the printshop I work at there are plenty of Macs and PCs and lots of love to go around. Where’s the love out there people? Where’s the love!?
Windows needs your permission to use this program.
Love
Allow Cancel
If you do not trust the source do not use this program. This program can potentially harm your computer
Win
1996 called, it wants this platform war back.
what he said!
Everyone’s missing the point. Macs are alien-ship compatible!!! GOOOO
Most everyone in this comment thread are ignorant.
Should read: “everyone in this comment thread is”. Proving your own point: Priceless.
screw you guys for making me read 103 comments. I was expecting a decent flamewar, you guys must be tired or something.
I could mention Ubuntu > * , that should heat things up.
*Dons asbestos suit*
I already did.
Ubuntu for the fricking win.
I need to read up on it more before I fully convert. Actually, I guess I’d be better off running both simultaneously. I ran the “software” version for a little while, but I started having computer trouble so I had to uninstall Ubuntu. I did love it while I used it, though. Much more than any other system I’ve dealt with before (Mac and PC) – though that’s not to say I don’t like Windows, I still do. Any recommendations for someone looking to start using Linux/Unix/Whatever?
It depends entirely on what you use it for. Without any specific data on what you’re trying to do I’d say Ubuntu for ease of install and setup, you started at the right place. If on Windows I’d go to http://wubi-installer.org/ and try out Ubuntu and Kubuntu, see which desktop environment you are more comfortable with. To be honest, without data on what you want to do, any operating system will serve you just fine for basic stuff, I like Windows for Google Chrome support (Chromium gives me trouble), Kubuntu for everything else
Actually, someone pointed me in the direction of Linux Mint, which is basically just an Ubuntu variant. So far, I’m quite taken with it. Wubi had my computer acting weird after I installed it, but that could have been a problem between the keyboard and the chair – hard to say. Yeah, that’s what I’d been using though, and it got me hooked on Linux. Now I just have to fully get Mint setup on here and I’ll be good to go.
Hi, Final Cut Pro, which makes Adobe Premiere look like Notepad, only runs on Mac. So yeah, um, fail.
(BTW I’m a support analyst for a big corporation – all OSes suck, and the one you’re forced to use to get your job done sucks worst of all.)
The fact you didn’t supply the name for the ‘big corporation’ creates suspicion that you are lying
Or, maybe, he’s trying to keep his privacy!
What a novel idea!
He’s on the internet there’s no such thing as privacy, already a cookie from graphjam has his bank details and medical records.
i resent this very much, cause i love macs and they are much easier than windows. AND THEY HAVE THE MOST USEFUL APPLICATIONS OF ANY COMPUTER!
Really? “any” computer? Can you go to your local computer store that is not the Mac store at the mall, look at the one little isle of Mac software and tell me how that adds up to more than the rest of the store full of Windows compatible software? Are you using the George W Bush counting system?
How many different word prcessors do you need? How many different versions of Solitaire? How many different CD burning suites? If you can do it on Windows, you can do it on a Mac – and you can do it on a Mac virus and spyware-free.
Can you right-click on a Mac with just one finger?
<3
Ya, get a mouse with a right buttons and you can.
I must admit, the one button mouse is the worst part of the Mac system. But it’s easily solved with a cheap Logitech mouse. With Vista, you have to wait for Window 7. And hope for the best.
Vista already supports two mouse buttons ;-P
Yes. Yes it can.
Mrph? Mac has been right-click compatible since the 90s and has been shipping four-button mice with omnidirectional scroll balls for five years or so.
Either way, that nell guy is kinda a douche, don’t you think?
Yup
Clearly someone who’s not even touched a Mac for more than five minutes ever in his entire life.
I am a PC fan, and I would not want him touching anything in my house.
I support both OSes, neither is technically superior to the other; given the choice I’d run Mac but they’re to fricking expensive!! And THAT guy, I wouldn’t even want him in my STATE, much less my house.
I support OS X and Ubuntu.
Windows sucks.
look behind the fridge
I used one for just over a week and on numerous other occasions
And they say the Open Source community alienates the average computer user….
Open Source users are like the old guy in my neighborhood who collects cans and tells everyone with a job they are just rats running the corporate maze.
Or frick, maybe OS X doesn’t run on Dell?
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
I am that guy! And I have a name too, it’s tin-can-Bill, don’t you forget it!
hey tin-can-Bill how’s the game
Can some Mac person please explain why Apple has not been able to take over the entire personal computing market if they are so great? Don’t tell us how great they are or why you love your Mac. Just explain why they have such a small percentage of market share.
And don’t give me a line about Microsoft acting like a monopoly unless you can also justify Apple acting the same why with iTunes.
‘Cuz they’re not that great; they’re over-specialized and only a small niche of people (tending toward creative types but not exclusively) like to use them. Also if things like AVG, Avast and Malwarebytes.org hadn’t come around, Apple would have a LOT more devotees right now.
And with those devotees would come the viruses. Apple’s small market share protects them from viruses because the people who do that kind of thing want to effect the most people. If Apple had majority market share then people would be out there cranking out viruses and stuff for them too.
iTunes runs on Windows.
Truthfully, I can only guess. I assume that Microsoft (for whatever reason) got popular more quickly. At the very beginning. The fact that they were popular made them even more popular! Look into exponential graphs if you do not follow. My other theory is that Apple wanted to make sure their OS and other software worked flawlessly with their computers so they didn’t let other brands use their it. Microsoft, on the other hand, did not think about this so they said “Windows for you and you and you and you, etc.” to all the computer-making companies such as Dell, HP, Gateway, etc. I am not sure if those are exactly correct… but those are my theories.
also, Windows running computer are almost always cheaper
Excuse any mal-written grammar
Apple computers are overpriced, but on a strictly architectural basis, they are built like WWII battleships. You could literally put wheels on one and ride it through the desert while hacking away on an InDesign layout and it wouldn’t so much as blink. To get a Winbox that’s built like a Mac, you’d spend nearly as much or more.
Incorrect. They work very very well and are not overpriced.
apple computers are extremely overpriced. have you ever heard of the macbook air? if you can give me a valid reason why it is worth 1700 dollars, i will forever praise you, buy a macbook, and get rid of my 1700 dollar windows laptop and 1500 dollar windows desktop.
Actually, I think you should only get an Air if you have a tower or strong desktop. Apple’s two flaws: iMovie ‘08 and Mac Book Air
For its weight, size and portability, its fast, has 120 Gb, runs OSX, and has nice graphics.
The MacBook Air is not worth 1700 dollars. Not gonna argue that.
However, I recently bought a 15″ MacBook Pro from the previous generation for $1300.
The Air wasn’t designed for the people, Steve just said to his engineers one day, “I want this.” Literally. Have you seen the Air though? Overpriced or not, it is a very impressive design.
So Apple and Microsoft both suck. What’s new?
Microsoft strangled windows with their incompetence and Apple strangled OS X with their greed. *shrug*
You can’t strangle Ubuntu
You can try, but it’s could get out faster than you could say “Houdini”.
They troll, and you fall for it.
No, I just troll back. Eventually we’ll all get bored and eat dinner.
..then one of the Windows users will lose all his files to some virus.
And a Mac user will lose his BIOS…
Funny, Mac had bios? I have been using Mac for 13 years, never noticed it. Must be working
Let me correct myself-
And a Mac user will lose his OpenFirmware (which is an elitist way of saying BIOS)
Alien ships! Independence Day. I get it.
Windows users who are naive enough to criticize those who use a Mac and then call them fanboys are the type of intellectuals smart enough to spell “products” without a T and then post it to demonstrate this impeccable stupidity…
Both Macs and PCs have spell check. Whats your excuse?
I’ve been dual platform for 24 years. Would not buy (another) pc for anything, simply because everything I’ve EVER wanted to run-at home and at work- I can run on a mac. And the pc that I unfortunately did own constantly had to go back in to be “reloaded” when installing something screwed it up. I am not your average user, either, my field is science and my son is a network admin who builds pc’s for fun. When the pc screwed up, my choice? Either drag him over to “fix it” or take it in to get it fixed. I’ve been reloading, installing, adding memory, reconfiguring, and basically admin-ing my own and 160 macs for which I am responsible at work BY MYSELF. Because with a mac, you can!
Recently attended ICE (Illinois computing educators) conference. 5 years ago 80-90% of the attendees were hauling around pc laptops. This year? About 60% had macbooks or macbook pro laptops.
i once worked for a company who had 600 PCs and i was responsible for 450 of them, i had minimal problems admin-ing all of them for the entire time there, the few problems i did have were all human error (one being he guy shoved a pencil through the middle of his PC and wondered why it didn’t work) it’s not hard to admin large numbers of computers no matter what OS so don’t go saying it like it’s easier with Mac like one of those crappy apple ads. Also i like the use of “hauling PC laptops” macbooks may be thin but it can be a disadvantage, i snapped a friends macbook in half once just by gently leaning on it accidentally.
Geez. How much do you weigh? I accidently dropped my Macbook down a flight of stairs (Hard wood, onto concrete), and it didn’t have a mark on it. (Or multiple marks, for the technical elitists)
I weigh 10 stone thank you very much, dropping it down stairs would hit points all around the edges of the macbook, and any hits to the center would be spread out across the entire machine, while pinpoint pressure of my elbow into the direct middle of the macbook snaps it like a glow-stick
Linux FTW!
Hell Yes
this should be for PC’s,minus the iPod/iPhone.
Mac for work, PC for gaming, get over it or get lost.
I love you.
mac os X on pc ? anyone tried?
heheheee
it`s having a mac and not paying for it
HAX!
I’m a mac guy and this made me lol. Not because it’s true but because you misspelled “products”
I would be happy if I never saw an iPod again
Oh please… you don’t actually even HAVE to run a different OS on a Mac to run windows programs, just download Darwine and you can run most any program that’s supposedly “Windows only”
For that matter… you think this person would take the time to look through his graph… It says “Market Producs”
Bleh, for that matter the only thing that PC’s are even really remotely better at is gaming, and not even by that much. For that matter you often have to BUY a video card for your PC while it’s built into EVERY new iMac. For that matter I could care less about gaming on a computer… The only game type that’s better on a PC than a console is RTS games, and I don’t buy that many of those. If you make a graph like this it shows that you haven’t used a Macintosh that’s been made since they switched to Intel processors. I’ll admit, those older versions which have PowerPC processors are quite a bit outdated, but they stopped making those quite a few years ago.
You obviously don’t know about video cards and upgrading of a PC, so i shall enlighten you. with a PC you can buy a new graphics card when your old one becomes outdated, giving your PC some more time before you have to buy a new one, while when a Mac (with inbuilt graphics card) becomes outdated you might as well take it out back and shoot it seeing how no-one will buy it because it’s outdated. That is why a PC is better.
Desktop mac’s have upgradeable viideo cards too. Comparison fail.
I’m talking about the ones you can’t upgrade, comment fail.
Like the PCs you can’t upgrade (laptops)? I second the comparison fail.
Good luck upgrading a macbook air
My main problem is the Mac ‘community’, when a person makes the switch from PC to Mac the suddenly change as if they are better than everyone, people suddenly cut off all ties with their friends cause they “they use the inferior platform” and start hanging out with more smug Mac users who sit around all day chanting “Steve Jobs”(or so i’ve heard), i literary punched a friend in the face when he started acting high and mighty when he bought a Mac, some people must learn IT’S A COMPUTER NOT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE.
I call BS. You only think that’s true because the pompous lifestyle people spout about it in public. There are lots of people that use a Mac exclusively every day but you don’t hear from them because they don’t feel the need to shout their OS preference from the rooftops.
There are pretentious, pompous jacka$$es in both Mac and PC camps, but that doesn’t mean they make up the majority of the users.
That seems to be happening a lot (The majority is judged by the minority.)
My Mac does everything I need it to do. I’ve never had a problem with music and I’m not entirely sure why that is included in this graph. And my useful software is all operating just fine.
Obviously written by someone who blindly idolizes all the greatness of Windows! I’m sure everyone can agree that Windows is completely flawless and has never caused anyone major problems. . .
AMEN
I use both PC and mac. I gotta agree, program compatibility’s a b***h.
While I’d take PC over mac any day, macs really aren’t that bad. I just wish this damn macbook would stop trying to melt my balls.
Macs are for people who do not care about how computers work and want something simple to play on.
PC’s are for people who like to tinker.
I like to tinker.
ps: Owned current pc for 2 years never had a virus, never had it crash, guess I must know what I am doing…
I had my last PC for about 6 years, give or take. My antivirus program found 1 or 2 threats and disposed of them. That thing was stable as hell, and I loved it. All this lame talk about viruses when the PC vs. Mac Wars start up (again): unless you’re DL’ing lots of freeware, crapware, and hackware, it’s a myth. I even did quite a bit of mp3-sharing, and never had a problem. Macs may be great and all–they’re certainly beautiful when it comes to design–but I can’t see spending THAT much more money for “ooh, pretty!” And I find it hard to believe that each and every component is so high-end that it’s worth THAT much more. Are they making them of white & clear carbon fiber, now? Or maybe porcelain? Do they have the spillproof keyboard and roll cage of my Thinkpad, too? Come on, I want specifics to justify that price; then I will spend the money! I have the money, I just want to know why I’m spending it. Something more than, “Ooooh, shiny.”
No, wait. Scratch that. I have the money, it’s just that I’m only willing to spend *so much of it at a time*, even on something that will become an integral part of my life. I think I’d rather partition it into having the 3 laptops & 1 desktop that we have now, than having one overpriced pretty thing.
I have a iMac… OS X sucks, however ive been a *nix head for quite some time so i just installed linux, but you have to emulate the BIOS and MBR, also a Aluminium iMac is all laptop hardware stuffed into the space behind a monitor, and it uses the same hardware as a PC only integrated so you cannot update. My specs: ATI Radeon 2600XT, Dual Core 2.4GHz CPU, 2GB RAM(1GB originally), 300 some GB Western Digital 7200RPM SATA HDD, some broadcom network card, and some really screwed up wireless card that is a pain to get working under Linux. Really iMacs are for old people, non-tech savvy college students, Illustrators, and pretty much anyone how doesn’t know have a damn about computers.
BTW WIDNOWS BLOWS!!!! SUCK IT ALL YOU MICROSOFT FAN GIRLS! WINDOWS SUCKS! We all know windows vista is a horrible piece of code, and that windows 7 is just glorified vista.
While i admit windows vista sucks, but you admitted to liking linux which means i am going to ignore everything you say, but i acknowledged you saying vista sucks which means i didn’t ignore you… quite a little conundrum, but the matter still stands, I’m still ignoring you.
Both Apple and Microsoft have only one purpose: to turn the maximum number of self-determened humans in consumer slaves who start promoting their artefacts. Reading this blog, the succeeded very well in doing that.
KILL THE NON-BELIEVER BUY WINDOWS AAAARRRGGGHH!!!!!!
If by “useful software” you mean “viruses,” then I agree with the chart.
If by your comment you mean fat sack of lies then i agree with you.
There is no enterprise macs servers (if there’s any at all) that can scale and run serious things like checkpoint, oracle database, peoplesoft or SAP.
Run multiple oses? Pwah, can OSX do LPARs like the AIX? can OSX do resource management VMS like ESX?
So when Microsoft came out with windows 2000 with their version of secure BIND (aka AD), ISA, and scalable to 64 CPUs. What did apple come out for their iBook? laughable.
Thats why I don’t take ANYTHING an apple owner say seriously.
If you like your white paperweight so much, go hug it to sleep. Let the IT people do the serious tech evaluations.
Actually… yes. They can. I used to admin Mac OSX servers at an enterprise level. They played very nicely with our Linux servers. And are you REALLY pimping AD? Microsoft’s half implemented version of LDAP? LDAP in OSX is really a beautiful thing.
You really should try the software sometime before spouting off about it.
But now I’m just feeding the trolls. Just letting you know, Apple does have a line of server grade hardware that is actually quite nice to work with. If you get the chance to try it, I’d recommend it.
Windows is only used widely because more people are used to Windows and because Microsoft has very good vendor lock-in. Linux, BSD, and OSX are all valid competitors and deserve a fair shake. If you don’t believe that then you really should consider another career path.
Mph? Mac servers are fricking insanely capable. Organizations with the BIG SERIOUS BUCKS buy them. Organizations that don’t have that kind of money buy Windows servers. (Smart organizations buy OS-less machines and run Linux on them, grin.)
::wave:: Hi, IT person here. Macs have their purposes, Winboxen have their purposes, Linux boxen have their purposes. OS wars are for wieners.
I still think oranges are better then apples, why doesn’t everyone understand that?
I build my own Windows machines. Have for 15+ years since I was a teenager (I even remember fiddling with ISA cards). I just go to a show, get a bare-bones box for 200-300$, then buy parts and assemble myself a Frankenbox. It runs lightning-fast for years, as long as I’m safe and careful about my internet and Flash-drive use. FAR cheaper than a Mac, and does everything I need it to do, in a system I am familiar with. I can’t find anything in the damn Mac interface, and am slowed down considerably because the controls are unfamiliar (I’m a keyboard-heavy person, Macs are more mouse-oriented).
As far as I’m aware, Macs are proprietary and you can’t really do something like this with them. Upgrading a Mac is mostly limited to just buying a new one, which costs about $1000 more than what I do. My costs are just a few parts or peripherals – most or all of which can be moved to a new box when I decide to make the next leap. The only ‘loss’ is data and applications, but that’s just setting aside a weekend to rebuild. Not the end of the world.
I’ve found that most internet-based applications work rather lousy on a Mac for me, too.
What Micro$uck-ups don’t understand is you can save even more by going 100% open source.
Microsoft Windoze Software Compatibility:
Useful Software: <1%
Games: 9%
MALWARE: 90+%
Malware writers are the #1 developers of Windows software, according to Symantec. Somehow, I don’t miss that 100% compatibility with all of that B.S. when I run Linux. I suspect the Mac users don’t, either.
Most Windoze lusers just install Micro$uck Windoze, Micro$uck Orifice and then let the malware take over their computers through their Micro$uck Internet Exploder and their email client, LookOut-It’s-A-VIRUS.
It was just a joke. That’s all it was meant to be. The fact about the useful software has always been a joke. I mean, did any of you read it?! It says “alien ships” for Christ’s sake. How seriously can you take that! Jeeze… too sensitive.
It’s too late.
IT HAS STARTED
haha…so many people are going to whine about this, dear mac hipsters: no one cares.
I define “useful software” as “PC games.”
SHUT THE F**K UP god dam no mater how hard you try you will not convince a mac user windows is better likewise you will not convince a windows is better so what the hells the point of arguing on another note i use mac, windows and linux computers and i think they are all good i also have a windows 6.1 phone witch is the same as the ipod but slightly better (couldent get the iphone anyway as i have verizon) and an ipod clasic 160 gigs one of the best (if not the best) music players out there
Slightly better grammar and punctuation and that would have been a jewel of a reply.
Look I have a Dell desktop PC and a Macbook. I bought the Macbook because the college I attend uses macs fairly heavily in the art and design courses (Which I’m in) and it works fine it plays to its strengths well and I don’t have problems with it that I associate with laptops I’ve used in the past. I think its fairly sleek and easy to use which is something I desire in something that’s intended to be carried on your person. My PC is fairly standard fair that I’ve managed to keep in fairly decent working order and since its in my apartment and I don’t have to parade it around in public I can keep all my games and porn on it. I think that PCs are excellent for games and desktops are better for storing “sensitive materials” And I think that macs are better for art and laptops are better with a sleeker OS so my combination works great for me. In short if you can afford both and you feel that you want both then just get both and be happy.
Or just go Linux and everything’s suddenly easier.
(Also, I see you’re hinting at PCs as porn-machines – nice!)
Macs suck
Please end this squabble. I personally have used both Windows and Macs and Linux for all of my life. They are all good for there different uses. Windows XP was BOUNDS better that OS X 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2. Then it evened out. The latter versions improved on shininess but not much on functionality. Windows XP is still a more stable, and MORE SECURE, operating system than OS X. And that is a true statement. Ask anyone who knows the backends of computing; most OS X exploits go undocumented and unfixed so that Apple can hold up its statistics against Microsoft’s. Example: Black Hat 2006; 3 servers, OS X, XP, and Fedora. The Linux server took a full 2 days to break, the XP server took 12 hours, and the OS X server took only 4. What many don’t realize is that the crashes that Windows XP is known for were, 99% of the time, not related to the operating system itself, but third party software. When a Mac crashes, however, it is an issue with the operating system itself. If you are an intelligent human being, you should never, ever get a virus. (Firefox)+(not going to porn site)+(Reading your gd emails)=no viruses. And if you are so inclined to use Anti-virus software, there are free alternatives.
Vista, however, was a legitimate failure on Microsoft’s part. It has since begun to stabilize yet it still pales in comparison to the functionality of XP or the trend of Leopard. I have been an tester of Windows 7 for almost 2 years now and I have to say, it will crush OS X. Even in beta, it is stable with the various machines I have tested it on, including a wiped Macbook Pro. This debate about hardware is ABSOLUTELY pointless. The internals of a Mac are no different than those you could buy on Newegg. The only difference is in the outside appearance. The ascetic choices also have their pitfalls. As anyone who owns a Mac Laptop in one of their “Titanium” editions knows, the bottom plate is made of metal. It looks great, but after an hour of on-lap use, the plate becomes extremely hot. Not so nice. Those who built there own PC’s correctly know that it pays in the end to have an upgradable machine. Most of the “innovative” software that is offered with an OS X machine is just software that has been available for free download for YEARS for Windows or Linux users. Bootcamp is just a fancy, OS X DEPENDENT bootloader, unlike GRUB, which is an operating system interdependent FREE bootloader.
Apple creates great computer hardware with a great look that give basic users a great experience. Windows is versatile and Linux, oh Linux, is the cream of the crop for tech enthusiasts. Linux, I currently use Fedora and Ubuntu, gives the user the ability to fully control there computer and a free range of possibilities. It may be to intimidating for those who are used to just the basics and therefore not for everyone. In the end, It is a personal choice. Make your arguments but be able to defend them with reasonable and TRUE facts. My current computer is a custom Falcon Northwest (actually, its only a Falcon Case :p) Quad booting Ubuntu, XP, Windows 7, and OS X. My personal preference is Ubuntu and Windows 7.
I would love to hear what people have to say.
And on a side note, the US government now uses linux servers for storage and authentication and Windows for computing and data crunching, due to frequent crashes in there OS X server network.
–Streeter
I agree whole-heartedly
This is by far the best, in equating information with statements, and in degree of cognitive complexity, post thus far on this thread. Question for you, Street. You said that Windows 7 will crush OS X, how, from what you’ve seen of it, does it fare against Linux?
Windows 7 is attempting to incorporate features common in Linux such as a vast driver database and a more unified upgrade system. Windows 7 will probably win back those who are using Linux in place of Vista, yet the core base of Linux users will be unaffected. 7 also has the strong potential to win back those who choose OS X over Vista. Linux, at least at this point, still has the edge in terms of raw customization, and 7 has not yet been able to prove itself in that department. Microsoft has, however, has opened the doors to many parts of the computer that were previously not openly changeable, such as the context menus and boot-order preference.
Windows 7 is fully comparable with all Vista software I have tested and uses fewer system resources than Vista. Linux still uses the fewest resources, and tends to have a smaller base system as well; a full Ubuntu install can be less than 512MB. In the latest 7 beta release, it is possiable to install the core of Windows without any unnecessary programs, including the dreaded Internet Explorer and Messenger. This allows for many users with older computers to comfortably run 7.
Many new Debian Linux distros are gearing up to be more user-friendly and more intuitive to enter the main stream OS market. Windows 7’s incorporation of a driver database is also an attempt to make the end-user experience an easier one than when vista was released. Linux, and Windows as well, have programs to do almost anything, so they are fairly well geared to do any task. Microsoft has, clearly, started to look at other operating systems and incorporate their best aspects.
Linux will probably always be the choice for the hard-core computer tech, and Windows will be the choice for the real gamer, both Linux and Windows are becoming more and more friendly for the basic user to pick up and use out of the box. Once 7 comes out, I will use it for all of the design jobs that I do (I.E. digital imaging, video editing, sound synthesis, web design) and games while I will continue to use Ubuntu for just messing around on the Internet, word processing, playing music, torrenting anything, and storing documents securely. Its my everything-I-dont-do-for-work OS. But, who knows, maybe I will end up doing everything in 7. Windows, and OS X, have the professional level editing tools that dont run under Linux (except coding, of course. In that case I can saftly use both).
The bottom line is that Linux will continue to grow and become a viable alternative for the average user and, possibly by 7’s final release, a distro such as Ubuntu will be competition ready (and 9.04, by the way, is actually looking to be that release). Windows 7 will be BOUNDS better than Vista (anything would be, really) and will likely halt the U.S. market slippage they have been experiencing. Windows 7= Mainstream software, Games, Usability, Compatibility, and is far more polished than most Linux distributions; Linux= Customization, Low-system usage, Its free, and it can do anything you want it to do, provided you know what your doing
Best post thus far. I agree as much as experience allows (I’m sixteen and have only started to experiment in the last couple of years.)
Mac has one mouse button, all previous arguments are henceforth invalid.
Have you ever used a Mac? There are ways to right click with a standard mouse! Such as….. right clicking!
Nope. It’s got two now. It looks like all one piece, but there are two separate sensors – one on the right and one on the left.
Besides – NOBODY with a brain uses the mouse that came with their comp.
And one under the scroll ball and one by squeezing the sides. It’s the only PC you can get that ships with a 4-button mouse.
God you suck and here is why,
1. iWork suck so much balls it could pay my bills for a year if i whored it out
2. A lot of games are PC exclusive, and who the hell in their right mind would buy a PS3 for gaming possibilities (sure it has better hardware but the amount of games for it is abysmal, i mean the only thing they got going for it is metal gear solid 4.)
3. I want to see that 12 year old iMac run COD4, photoshop, illustrator, flash, soundbooth and carrara at the same time without lagging like a bitch. (yes i do it all)
I find it extremely ironic that Jennypen counters the claim that mac has good hardware but not as much access to games other than the most mainstream by telling us to buy a PS3, the worse console out there as far as game accessibility, despite superior hardware, other than the multiplatforms it has access to and a handful of less desirable PS3-exclusive games. It so effectively exemplifies the issue that he’s trying to respond to that I have to declare it an EPIC FAIL.
Ok wow. Jennypen just pwnd all of you! Understand that a gaming system is gonna be nicer for gaming then a computer. We are comparing MACS AND PCS not Macs and PS3s. -slight rhyme win-
Macs ftw
Wow, “run c:\word.exe” much dude?
You reading this blog at 1200 baud?
I have both OS X and Windows XP installed on my MacBook Pro.
I can run useful software (Logic Pro, Ableton Live, Reason, Max/MSP, Photoshop), play games (Left 4 Dead, Guitar Hero III), AND right click.
Since I have a 360, though, I rarely play games on my PC… and pretty much all of my useful software happens to be on OS X.
Every rare once in a while though, there’s some program (usually some small freeware thing) that simply doesn’t have a OS X equivalent, so I switch over to XP quickly. No problem.
Comment of the thread.
Well done Sir.
First off, I am both an MCSA (Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator), and am currently employed by Apple
. The graph was about compatibility, and Apple’s OS is compatible with anything as long as you know how to install boot camp. Games go on the Windows partition, everything else runs easier on OSX. I mean sure, if you like tinkering with stuff inside the OS and watching your CPU temperature etc, a Windows machine usually has more software available, but with a Mac, you’re buying it so you don’t have to worry about anything and can get right into media editing and such. In the long run, its like a guy with one leg making fun of a guy with one arm. Neither is perfect, and both can do certain things better than the other.
Any software that can run on a PC can run on a Mac.
Probably 90% of the complaints about Apple are factually incorrect or based on ignorance. Macs don’t cost more, they’re high-end computers. A comparable PC is often more expensive (especially if it’s a Sony).
And there’s plenty you can do on a Mac that you can’t do on a PC. There’s a lot that you can do with a Mac right out of the box that you need to be fairly experienced in order to do on a PC.
I’ve owned PCs and I really liked XP. A Windows box can do a lot and is all that most users really need. I feel the same way about the Toyota Tercel I used to drive. But to choose between that and a loaded BMW? There’s really no comparison.
Actually no, Macs cost more because Apple charges more, not because “they’re high-end computers.” I’m sorry, but for someone claiming that everyone else is wrong, you really don’t know the facts very well.
Do the match bitch. They ARE high end (unless you are a gamer) and they ARE the same price. Apple charges more because they put it together and get an exclusive case with good cooling and everything put together for you.
How many people needs high end except gamers? Not a small number using computers for gaming…
Quite frankly, if I was not in college, where 12 credit hours cost me (without fees) $3,300 USD, I might reconsider owning a Mac. With the fact I live in MIchigan, were it is terrible to find even a part time job at McDonalds, and I’m in college, I can only afford to do so many things with electronics.
I have found maintaining my HP laptop is quite cheap. I got my latop for $750, plus with a 1 year geek-squad warrenty, it was roughly $830. Though partially my fault, I had to take my laptop in because of visual cables and getting the screen changed. But that’s because I dropped it. Didn’t cost me a penny. Add only getting for it (on sale) Live OneCare for $25 and $99 for Office 2007…That adds up to $955, which is still cheaper then the cheapest Mac. I’ve only two very, very minor viruses that were easily removable with my antivirus.
All I find is that Macs aren’t compatible for what I do. I adore my 4G speed of a laptop. I don’t look so much for certain programs for art stuff or videos, but for what fits me. I like something that’s great with games, music, web stuff and things that just don’t do well on Mac. I used to play Furcadia. No version of it was able to be made yet for Mac. Maybe if mac were more compatible for what I do…then I’d get it.
I’ve had no problems with Windows… Love it to death. No problems. My moms computer 8 year old had to be wiped but that’s because our INTERNET provider stuck viruses onto our computer. It wasn’t the computer itself, so yeah. If you think about it, people who make viruses hate WIndows, but are so into apple that they refuse to make viruses for it. For all I know…Mac people are in the minority…
I shall settle this argument:
Quit insulting mac users, Windows users always start this kind of thing
You’re comparing maybe 5 or 6 computers to the rest of the market. How is that fair?
There are probably far more computers WORSE than macs than there are better. Both do exist.
Macs run windows quite nicely, not that it’s 100% necessary.
Quit bragging about Windows users being the majority. Some people like me think that the majority of people are idiots.
i work in a game dev company, not 1 use a mac for work.
The only part that matters about this graph is that 60% of all alien invasions (ID4 Independance Day, anyone?) can be intercepted by a 1337 haxor on a Mac (because no Mac users (especially then) thought that they’d need a firewall because they thought that nobody would bother hacking a Mac.)
Just wanted to throw this out there:
My only BSOD was running windows on my macbook…
Mac users who think they know everything: SHUT UP!
PC users who can’t even spell correctly: SHUT UP!
Mac users who can’t spell anything either: SHUT UP!
Now, anyone ever consider that it’s pointing out the fact that much of Apple’s software is only made to run on the Mac platform?
There, now: Everyone else whining: SHUT UP!
Notice to all Mac users:
Don’t worry about the hostility of Windows users, they have the same attitude towards anyone who does not worship at the feed of Sweaty Ballmer and clamour to obediently accept will of the almighty EULA. They are lost souls in need of deprogramming. One day we will be able to help them. But unfortunately we have a very long backlog of ex-Scientologists to get through first.
Did you cut and paste what happened to you dreamed as a kid or come up with that on the fly?
WTF are you trying to do on a Mac anyway? You buy it, plug it in install app and run it? For most business people, that is gravy.
I fully agree. Rest their poor souls.
But, i am not SO sorry for them, since i have a Mac
For what it’s worth, anyone who claims a mac is worse is an enormous wanker. I’ve had PCs all my life and every single one of them has broken, until I got a mac, and guess what… IT WORKS
Maybe its the user and not the system
This is all just funny coz most of Windows programs these days are ripped from Mac’s (except the bits that don’t work) and most of Macs programs are ripped from Linux. So I say all hail the great and mighty penguin!!!
They both run world of warcraft, so who cares.
Meh, i see all the fanboy mac supporters and with the virus argument are retarded, having half a brain is the best antivirus. If you are that idiotic to download anything that flashes on your browser you NEED an moron-proof system (apple). If you want to customize, and have a computer that doesn’t look the same from every single one then get a Windows. If your windows box is running as slow as you all have said then you have been screwed over at the store. Seriously i built my Pc with 800 dollars from scratch and it damn well beats any mac out there. It runs like a dream, Specs: 6GB ram 1.5 TB disk, 3.0 Quad, gtx 260, asus striker II formula, corsair 750 watt windows xp/vista dual boot running with AVAST!, Spybot, and Avira just in case my brother slips. Yes I have tried the Mac boxes at my local school and they really suck, hell they run worse than the pc i had 10 years ago! As i said If you have half a brain get a PC. If you are a rich moron who likes flashing adds with smiley faces get a MAC and don’t complain when you can’t run the newest iTunes in a couple of years.
…and over here on out next exhibit, quite similar to the average Apple Fanboy, we have the PC Fanboy. Common, unique characteristics of a PC Fanboy may include:
1) Denouncement of the fact that the Mac platform probably has better security than Windows.
2) Little to no knowledge of the Mac platform (easy to spot, they’ll use the term “MAC” in all uppercase, which anyone with ‘half a brain’ should know that stands for Media Access Control, and is associated with networking connections.)
3) Mentions customizability of the Windows Operating System, but fails to realize that if they really wanted customizability, they wouldn’t be running Windows– they’d be running Linux.
4) Worst case scenario- they downright deny that the Mac Platform is easy to use.
5) Tend to stereotype users of the Mac platform as being stupid, idiotic brainless brats who haven’t a clue of what they’re talking about.
6) Generally compare Newer PC systems to much Older, out of date Mac platforms.
7) (Semi rare scenario) Make wild claims about software made by Apple in a few years doesn’t run right with the Operating System that it’s specifically designed for. (This is most likely caused by the problems many users have trying to get new versions of Microsoft Software on their Windows box including, but certainly not limited to, Microsoft Office, Microsoft Vista, and, um, oh yes, Internet Explorer, the only browser that gets worse with each version number increment.
Final verdict: Both platforms have advantages, Windows having things like– wait, I just got done slamming it– mkay, FINAL FINAL verdict: Both PCs and Macs have advantages, and to say that one completely and without question triumphs over the other is just a waste of your breath, and really, people THAT ignorant shouldn’t even be using computers anyways.
You sir are an idiot.
The company you bought from simply screwed you over. Period
It’s great how anecdotal evidence can be used to draw logical conclusions now. There’s nothing fallacious about that at all.
Someone needs to take a representative sample of at least 1000 systems, perform a controlled experiment with independent/dependent variables, and get statistically significant data. THEN we can decide which is better.
Pc markets have already launched USB 3.0. Mac still has only USB 1.0. USB 1.0 got outdated 3 years back :p.
Funny, the MacBook Pro I’m typing this on has 3 USB 2.0 ports, and my iMac on my desk also has three… my mother-in-law’s ancient Mac Mini also has three USB 2.0 ports.
The only USB 3.0 that has happened as of yet is the cables for them have been released… this week. By ONE company. Mainstream consumer USB 3.0 isn’t live until 2010, which is when you’ll actually see one on a machine.
I don’t even remember USB 1.0 – USB 1.1 was the first to be very widely adopted. 2.0 came out NINE years ago, Pc fan. Parts of your post are time travelling either from next year or from six years ago!!!
Like seriously, I have had macs AND PCs all my life, and Macs are better with music than PCs will ever be. Yeah, software is expensive, everyone knows that, but just deal with it. (i.e. download illegally.
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Seriously. I brought a thumb drive to a mac, and I opened audacity.exe. Then it asked, “You have not set an application to open this with. Would you like to select one now?”
Like audacity isn’t an EXE file!
Mac OS X applications aren’t .exe .
They’re application files, or .app
alien ships?!
SIGN ME UP, BABEH! 
I read with curiosity for awhile and then got bored and proceeded with a big “dear lord” when I noticed I had only scrolled a centimeter.
Linux is better than them both. Plus it’s free!!
Actually, it’s compatibility with flash and other such programs is quite crap.
That venn diagram with the user friendly, stable and customisable stuff clearly shows that Linux is customisable and stable, but it’s not user friendly. (I should know, I have Ubuntu amd it sucks.)
Linux can just not be operated by ordinary users…
I know IT students who got the Apple problem the other way round, thinking they are cooler than others because they work with it apart from programming stuff.
Nevertheless, thinking you’re cooler cause you spent more money isn’t smart either…
high five !
Nice graph, man.
How many macs from 2000 can still run…anything?
Well, my moms PC can, and ram is the only thing that’s been updated.
1.8 and vista? Epic fail, unless it’s a notebook.
Mac users: Saying that you can run Windows on your Mac does NOT prove anything except that the only way for your Mac to be good is to turn into a Windows.
all the stupid people that defends windows are poor and never in his poor life can bought a mac… you jealousy
a mac its much better
Windows is better.
Though Windows is more of a virus magnet than Mac (Linux is out of the question, 100% virus free), Windows is a lot more user-friendly than both.
This is just Windows fan boys wishful thinking. They can’t stand it that every time Windows comes up with a new version, it still falls far short of Apple’s. With Win7, they even admitted they were trying for an OSX “Look and feel”.
OSX is not only virus-free, fut is harder to infect because of the basic programming scheme.
I have an iMac and ALL of the windows files and games work fine on it. Te games even play faster and better. That even includes Sturmovik IL2 flight simulator.
Eat your hearts out, Windows morons.
first of all we have a PC and a Mac and no one every uses a PC aka the name PC stands for Piece of Crap and Mac’s are wayyy better than Pc and the only reason people think PC is better because they don’t have enough money to buy a mac and PC’s are sooo slow and none of the GOOD programs work on PC’s
PC stands for personal computer. The Mac is a personal computer (aka PC). Apple themselves acknowledges this through their advertising.
PC: “Hi, I’m a PC.”
Mac: “…and I’m a PC too.”
“I can run Office, Visio, and all that useful software on a Macrap!”
Problem: All that software is made by Microsoft. So you are being backstabbed by your yourself and supporting MS when you buy it!