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I don’t get it.
P.s. – no numbers are involved in this post. I’m proud of that.
But there is an ‘I’ which in Roman means 1 or ‘first’
There’s a small segment of Christians called Mormons, and a small segment of Mormons practice polygamy. It’s illegal to have multiple spouses in the U.S. Some of them seem to stay out of trouble and thus not attract any attention to themselves, but others are caught and arrested for marrying very young women. A large group of them (about 400) were recently arrested and questioned, and a some of the girls lied about who they were and how old they were, in order to keep the older men out of trouble.
I wasn’t sure if you were from somewhere outside of the U.S. and so had never heard of Mormons, but this graph is in reference to those Mormons who marry teens and pre-teens.
Hehe, actually it’s probably referencing the polygamist sect that was featured on the news earlier this year, where some girls had been married at the age of eleven and had kids and such.
And they’d defend that sect hardcore. So far as to lie about ages and such. When asked what age they were at multiple times, they had been found to change the age at which they had been married/had kids.
Joolz – Christians and Mormons are NOT affiliated with eachother. They may have some basic belief status, but the polygamist sect recently brought to the media’s attention some time ago was a branch of The Church of Latter Day Saints, or Mormons. Not Christians. Do some research before you post nonsense.
Mormons are Christians. They believe in the Bible and they worship Christ. They just happen to believe that another prophet came after Jesus. Saying that they’re not Christians because they’re evil and warped is like saying that Bin Laden and his terrorists can’t be called Muslims. Most Muslims would disown him and his terrible acts, but that doesn’t stop our media calling him and his band of nutters “Islamic” terrorists.
they aren´t evil and warped but.
They believe that one can become their own god when they die. Also, Jesus and Satan are brothers considered to the mormons. Their book also contradicts the Bible put together by the council way in like the first century.
Secondly, they changed their bible some time in the 1950s to take out what Joseph Smith, their translator, put in their, which said that black people were satans children.
In my personal opinion they aren´t christians, but they are very nice people. Their even here in Spain!
GRAMMAR FAIL.
THEIR = THERE.
Grammar Fail.
THERE=THEY’RE
Uh. Fail Fail. “There” and “they’re” were both incorrectly written
as “their” in the original post
Uh huh… How about no. The Fly Jedi is right about this. They’re is a contration for “they are”, which fits rather snugly into the sentence. “THEY ARE” even here in Spain.
lulz “band of nutters”
sorry for laughing at a serious topic.
and yeah, technically Mormons are christians.
Evil and warped? Come on, be fair. Very few Mormons condone polygamy. The People who marry little girls certainly disgust me, but they disgust practically everybody, even most of the Mormons.
Oh wait–were you attributing “warped and evil” to Layaway? I think I have misunderstood you.
No, they do not worship Christ as God, and they do not pray to him, only “through” him. They consider the Bible to be inferior to their own scripture, The Book of Mormon, which was composed by a guy staring into a hat and dictating it to another guy who was sitting in another room. They are polytheists who believe in an infinity of gods, of which “Heavenly Father” is only one. They also teach that black people and Native Americans are cursed by “the mark of Cain” and that’s why they have dark skin, and that only by being good Mormon for generations can they become “white and delightsome”.Ffurthermore they hold that black people can only get to their version of Heaven (“the celestial kingdom”) as servants, and will never attain the status of “exaltyed” (godhood.) There’s a lot more. If any of this is Christian to you, then you practice a very different kind of Christianity than the rest of the world.
I can’t decide if you’ve knowingly twisted everything until its utter bullsh*t or if you’re parading your ignorance around for all to see.
But you know, I don’t think Mormons are Christians either. Cuz I’ve never met a Mormon who is as intolerant and derisive and hateful towards other peoples’ religions and life-styles as many ‘Christians’ I’ve met are. Mormons aren’t preaching intolerance and hate but you certainly are.
I don’t see how what Mormons believe is any stranger then what any other religion believes. Frankly, to my upbringing, Christians have some really strange beliefs. And of course, to most Christians that means I’m going straight to hell and burning for eternity in agony cuz I’m not a member of their church. Well I’ll just see them there then.
That’s a pretty lame strawman argument there, “fickle.” Nothing about my post was “preaching intolerance and hate.” I said nothing about hating Mormons nor did I say anything about denying them their right to practice their religion as they wished. I simply said they are not Christian. Nothing hateful about that, is there? Throughout their history, they themselves denied that they were Christian, too. They describe themselves as “a peculiar people” and Joseph Smith denounced the creeds of Christianity as “an abomination.” They had to remove themselves to the American frontier because they simply could not get along within mainstream society. Again, these are the facts. It’s not intolerant to state those facts. Now, if I were to say “Mormons suck! they shouldn’t be allowed to worship like this!” then THAT would be hateful and intolerant. But I am not saying that – far from it. I think it’s great they believe so fervently in something. But that “something” they believe in isn’t Christianity. Period.
mormons may not be as (outwardly) intolerant towards other religious views, however they sure don’t hold anything back when they’re trying to push their religion on you. i’ve never had some bible-thumping evangelical christian follow me the entire MILE between my house and my school, trying to convert me.
for four years in a row.
Uh, I am not Mormon and have no desire to be, but I have had Mormon friends over the years, and what you’ve said it false. Why don’t you go read their website and talk to people actually in the religion instead of parroting what your parents or preist/minister told you. They do worship Jesus and consider themselves to be Christians, at least the ones I know do. In the past they may have believed that all black people were descendents of Cain, but they don’t anymore, some of the Mormons I know are not white. Furthermore, they weren’t the only peoples to believe that, before slavery was abolished, many slave-owners said slavery was religious justified (and it is all over the old testament).
Only a relatively small group of fundamentalists practice polygamy, and they are FLDS, not at all associated with the mainline Mormon church.
Again, I’m not Mormon and I have no desire to be, they have some beliefs and practices that I very much disagree with. However, most of the Mormons I know are perfectly normal people, often more informed about different religions as a whole than other Christians, and they certainly don’t deserve a lot of hate and misinformation.
None of the things you list here are true. Let me repeat – NONE of the things you list here are true.
Everyone here is missing the point about why Mormons are not Christians. It has nothing to do with being ‘evil’. Yes, they believe that Christ was the Son of God, and yes, they’re nice people.
But as some have pointed out, they have changed a few things. Mormons (and others like Jehovah’s Witnesses) have one thing in common. Followers must earn their salvation. Christ’s death and resurrection was all that was necessary to save everyone. Just believe and have faith in Him and you are redeemed. Otherwise, why would He come to be crucified? We are saved by His grace, not any single thing we do ourselves. Therefore, if someone knows they will die in the next five minutes, and they then accept Christ as Saviour, they are saved by His grace. Mormonism says they will not be saved because they have to work for grace, which is saying that Christ’s death is not enough and they must rely on themselves. But Christ showed it in the example of the thief on the cross, who is moments from death but is promised salvation.
All Christ-based cults try to make Christ more of a man and humans more like gods. And Mormons and JW’s etc. are cults cause they don’t let you leave, unlike a Christian church.
PS Why do people only use the examples of Catholic and Protestant? What about Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, etc?
Because people don’t know about Orthodox Christianity (for the record I was raised Orthodox, though don’t identify as one now). Also, Christianity doesn’t necesarily mean believing only Christ’s grace saves you. The Catholic church, for example, expects you to show that you’ve embraced Christ by doing good works. And LDS is not a cult for pete’s sake. People do leave the church, they’re often officially excommunicated for it.
Mormons, in fact, believe that a person who dies without EVER hearing even the name “Jesus” can indeed be saved.
Further, Mormons believe that without Christ’s atonement, NO ONE could be saved.
Yes, they do indeed believe that they must do all that they can to be as good as they can possibly be. Faith without works is dead.
Mormons are Christians. Their church is named The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Saying they’re not Christians is like saying Catholics aren’t Christians. Just because you don’t like what they believe or do doesn’t exclude them from Christianity.
Ah yeah, there was something similar to this recently here in BC – not certain if they were mormons, Yes, there’s mormons in Canada.
bountiful, british columbia! they’re fundamentalist mormons, apparently they’ve got ties with warren jeffs and everything.
Um, the “Fundamentalist” Mormon sect shares no common beliefs with the actual Mormons (LDS). While it is true that Mormons practiced polygamy roughly the same time that the rest of the country practiced slavery (just saying…), people seem to focus on this point in our past. Because of this, when people come up with the great idea (again) that one guy should have as many 6 year old girls as he can trick into his commune, he decides to call his belief system the *insert-type* LDS or Mormons… It’s kinda like saying masturbating to the reflection of the shadow of your Mom makes me your Dad (which I am, sucker).
Arguing that a fundamentalist sect has nothing to do the group that has moved on is downright silly.
“Fundamentalist” means that they still worship and believe the original teachings of the religion. While much of the church may be taking steps away from their past, they still share the majority of the religious beliefs in common. The fundamentalists simply don’t want to move forward, they like the ‘old ways’ the traditions the religion was founded on. They really all still Mormons whether you mention the fundamentalist part of not. In the same way Hasidic Jews are still Jews whether you mention the Hasidic or not, and similarly Sunni and Shiite Muslims are are still Muslim whether you mention which sect they are from or not.
And yes, whether the rest of Christianity wants to believe it or not, ALL of the Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is their lord and savior, therefore they ARE a Christian sect. Granted, they also believe that there was a prophet who came to early America, so it’s not a standard group of “Christians” but the any group that considers Jesus Christ to be the messiah gains the label Christian.
mormonism : christianity :: christianity : judaism
If any of you want to know what the LDS, or Mormon people REALLY believe, and not the drivel & half-truths that have been posted here, I suggest you go to the website lds.org. You’ll find plenty of info on them there.
A few comments –
1. Christ is the Son of God, and only through him can mankind be saved. If that doesn’t make us Christian, so be it – I’m not fussed about what people who know no more about our beliefs than the rumors they’ve heard think.
2. We believe that God loves us as much today as he did in Jesus’ time, and has provided a way to communicate with us today, through revelation.
3. No one who practices plural marriage can be a member of the LDS (mormon) church.
4. We believe the bible to be the word of God, as far as it was translated correctly. We believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
Mormon’s believe that Christ’s blood cannot save you from all sins (e.g. murder). By taking away from the divinity of Christ they cease to be Christians.
They have a chain of command: President, his council, and on down to your local pastor, and you are not supposed to question those above you. The “real truth” is only known by those at the top. If that isn’t a cult, then what is? To whit, a friend told me she would rather go to hell then give up Mormonism, even if they discovered for a fact it was false.
There is no historical evidence whatsoever for the events in the BoM, but there are plenty for events in the Bible. In fact, even the basic geography is wrong and can actually be shown to match up very closely with a fiction book. Joseph Smith had many recorded “prophesies” that are demonstrably false.
If anyone wants to find out more about why Christianity and Mormonism are not compatible, check out http://www.saintsalive.com
What about the date and time? Should say no numbers that you yourself typed in.
I’m ANNOYING!!!! *pokes Lethal Larry on shoulder repeatedly*
POKE POKE POKE
BTW, I also don’t get it. I should look up “Polygamous”.
FIRST!!
……..Feeling…….unsatisfied…..
Unsatisfied because you’re not first?
No, unsatisfied because that is not his/her name.
Actually when I posted that I was sure I was first. Kind of ironic really….
…so what if you did think you were first? I mean, really, what would have been so special if yours HAS been the first post? Would it have been some indication of your intellect, power, ability, skill, or representative of your impact on the world? Why make yourself into a useless fool?
This is so wrong (albeit kinda accurate, though it seems), but so funny!
Joolz – Mormons and Christians are NOT affiliated with each other. They may have a similar base of belief, but Mormons are the ones who also believe that we came from outer space/rule our own planet after we die. The polygamist sect recently brought to the attention of the media was a branch of the Church of Latter Day Saints, or Mormons. Not Christians. Do some basic research before posting nonsense next time.
Anyone who believes Jesus Christ was the mesiah falls into the catagory of Christian. Be they Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Baptist, etc. Just each have a different belief system and not a single one of them has it completely right.
I think you are confusing Mormons with Scientologists. Perhaps you should do some basic research before posting nonsense next time.
What for? Who cares?
Layaway, none of this is true. The “Fundamentalists” have never been Mormons – No, not even excommunicated ones, and never a branch or anything. They hijacked the name and teachings of the LDS church and added polygamy back into it. The LDS church has not practiced plural marriage since 1891. It is not doctrine that they “came from outer space”. They believe they came from the presence of God as spirit children before birth. It is not doctrine of the church that they will “rule their own planet after they die”. They will go to heaven after they die, back into the presence of God.
Mormons don’t practice polygamy. These crazy cults give us all a bad name.
The graph doesn’t “Mormon Wives.” It says “Polygamous Wives.”
This is true! A bunch of us just jumped into a debate about Mormons, didn’t we?
-man- I’m getting bummed out by the lack of quality I’ve seen here recently. There are so many good puns that are being thoughtlessly overlooked! Seriously, “Grey Area”? The slice should be grey, not green!
Personally, instead of saying “grey area” I think they should have put “jailbait”, but that’s just nitpicking, I think this graph is pretty damn funny.
hey, that woulda been much better!
Hahaha, that would have been good!
I sent this to a lawyer friend of mine who is actually following this particular case.
Then I had to explain it to him.
Is it wrong that I explained “grey area” using the “grass on the field” line?
wrong or not, it’s vastly amusing. haven’t heard that line since high school.
Do the research to learn the ins-and-outs of the non-Christian LDS/Mormon cult. Of course the brainwashed-from-birth Mormons will defend their cult.
It takes an outsider, a non-indoctrinated one to find the MANY fallacies within the LDS cult.
There is not a single shred of archaeological evidence to support the human-created “scriptures” of the charlatan Smith.
There is also a quite interesting lack of ANY DNA evidence to support claims of Jews entering the North American continent.
There is ample evidence offered by a host of those with excellent minds and plenty of research to shed the light of truth upon yet another successful cult that has a certain amount of legitimacy simply by having deluded a large enough number of idiotic humans into entering the cult then indoctrinating their progeny thereafter.
Golly, just like every other religion!!!! Thus, my conclusion, that all religions are cults.
No proof available to support ANY relifion/sect/denomination/cult other than some subjective feeling based upon “faith.
What you want to be does not make it so.
I often wonder if the fear of death, eternal nothingness, was removed from the human psyche if religions would have ever been created.
YHBT HAND
Obbop, I was just getting ready to jump all over you for calling LDS a cult when so many (read: all) other religions fit your cult criteria re: lack of evidence when I got to your paragraph starting, “Golly.”
And so again I say – Obbop’s My Hero!
What religion isn’t a cult? Religion is something that men came up with to explain that which they could not understand. The Bible is one of my favorite collections of mythology. There, I said it. Let the flaming begin!
Atheism’s a cult. It’s so well-done that most people in it don’t even realize it’s a faith system.
Dunno what’s funnier…the graph, or the TPS rants.
I am not LDS and never have been.
However, Christians believe in Christ is God (the only Son of God) who was given up for our sins etc. Since LDS/Mormon’s believe in this, they are also Christian. Even if the Evangelical Christians do not want to admit it, it is true. I hate that people seem to think only their version of Christianity is the right version and by default any other Christian Religion (IE Mormonism and Catholicism) is not Christian. This is not fact, and people need to stop being so closed minds.
The LDS people I know are very nice, normal, family orientated people. The LDS church has denounced polygamy since it became illegal in the United States. Thus, if a member of the LDS church is practicing polygamy,they are excommunicated (similarly to if a Catholic was excommunicated from the church). FLDS are the polygamists. And while FLDS have their roots in “mormonism” they are NOT the same thing.
Also, in my opinion, as long as they aren’t abusing underage girls (and forcing women into marriages they don’t want to be in) polygamy is not wrong. As long as ALL parties are willing participants.
For the record I am also not a polygamist, and could never share my husband with another woman.
People need to stop being so closed minded. Just because YOU don’t like the principles of the LDS (or Catholic or whatever)religion does not mean that they aren’t Christian. No matter what your preacher, or church leader says.
You mean…”For the record I am also not a polygamist, and could never share my husband with another woman TO YOUR KNOWNLEDGE”…right?…hahahah…sorry..it was just..soo…easy…
I don’t believe Mormons are Christians for the same reason I don’t believe Muslims are Christians. They believe things which are contradictory to major tenets. There are many valid variants of Christianity because people believe different things… on MINOR issues.
When it comes to saying that men can become a god, that’s a break-down. The first sin ever commited was because man wanted to become a god. That’s how Satan tempted Adam and Eve.
The graph was funny. After reading the TPS brewhaha, I’m glad I chose agnosticism. It just shows how skewed and corrupted Religion truly is. Ok back to christianity (or lack there of) debate.
I guess you gotta know what “grey area” means… Just because it’s cryptic doesn’t means it’s intelligent. It definitely doesn’t make it funny.
Don’t even say it!
For information on why Mormon’s aren’t Christians check out:
http://www.saintsalive.com – This site includes passages from the Book of Mormon, and other official sources and shows how they contradict some of the most basic beliefs of Christians.
http://prodigalmagazine.com/from-mormon-to-christian-author/ – A Book about a woman who was a devout Mormon until she realized it was false.